St . Clement Danes , Westminster

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Approx . 4 years ago , I had recorded a mrg . between John Bevil and Mary Ann Skinner on 18 Jun 1795 at St . Clement Danes . I have spent today looking through my paper records for the source ( pos . from an Ancestry membership at the time  ? ) as I have just returned from London and the Strand area in general ( inc . St . Martin in the Fields ) . I've not found the source of this info . and therefore appealing to someone here for ' back up ' of the record .
I believe at the same time I recorded a brl . for John on 20 Mar 1830 aged 56 y at S.C.D giving then a birth date of approx . 1774 . His wife Mary Ann Skinner is shown as a resident of S.C.D . and I've marked it as ref . mrg . transcription . .
Could anyone ( pos . with a subsciption to Ancestry ) support this info . or add pos . parents / dates/ siblings that also might be available ( pos . sister Elizabeth  bp . 12 Jun 1796 St . Martin in the Fields ) .
I had wanted to get to the Westminster Archives for further research but time was against me and am looking to build a little more info . before visiting the area again next month .
I would'nt want it to become time consuming for any pos . help and thank you in advance for any help and advice .
Could I also ask for any thoughts as to why a son John Bevil bp . 21 Jan 1798 would be bp . in Edward the Confessor church , Romford ( miles away from the area and probably difficult to get to at the time ) . John mentioned here , has become something of a mystery with surname changes
( Melville ) , pos . bigamy , many run ins with authority etc.. and which has led to many topcs and threads on Rootschat .
Thankyou again .

[haliared]

There is a marriage bond allegation dated 17 Jun 1795 and then the actual marriage in the parish register on page 128 (with their signatures) on the 18 Jun 1795.

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thankyou haliared that at least supports what I originally marked down..was that found info . via Ancestry , Findmypast..or another source .

[ciderdrinker]

Hi
Witnesses to marriage Charlot Skinner ,Rebecca Skinner and Eliza Gibbs.
The burial is right 20 Mar 1830 born 1774 of Milford Lane Clement Danes.

20 Feb 1701 John son of John Bevill late of St Giles apprenticed to John Clarke joiner made freeman may or may not be your family.

Marriage 18 Feb 1754 St Annes Soho John Bevill and Elizabeth Langford.
Children
Thomas 4 July 1756 St Clement Danes s of John and Elizabeth Bevill-PCC Will 26 July 1796 says formerly of Jamaica.
Elizabeth Adah Bevill bapt 8th April 1759 st Clement Danes John and Elizabeth Bevill (according to brother Thomas Will married a Richard Jackson and living in Jamaica .
John Hatton Bavill 26 Nov 1766 bapt 21 Dec 1766 s of John and Elizabeth St Martins in the Fields.
Adah Ann Beville  6.3.1768 d of John and Elizabeth
John 21 Feb 1770 bapt 25 March 1770 St Martins in the Fields s of John and Elizabeth Bevill
Martha 15.6.1773/4.7.1773 St Martins in the Fields John and Elizabeth Bavill
Joanna born 8 May 1775 Bat 25th June at St Martins  d of John and Elizabeth Bovill buried 19.7.1775

Elizabeth buried 28th July 1796 St Martins in the Fields.(Woman) and possibly John Bevill 22.3.1796 at St Martins.

1779 Insurance form Sun Insurance  for John Bovill Corn Factor Milford Lane
1784 Poll book Westminster Milford Lane  corn factor for Hood and Fox
1790 same details again for Hood and Fox
1804 possible case of embezzlement involved John elder and younger so burial may not be right
https://www.londonlives.org/search.jsp?form=persNames&fromYear=1753&_persNames_surname=bevill&match_sur=metaplus&fromMonth=00&start=100

It looks like the son had been stealing from his father.

John Bovill born 1774 (or could be 1771 the last digit is a bit iffy) son of John Bovill wheelwright admitted as Freeman of City of London 1800/1
1790 Poll book Westminster John Bevill/Bovill Milford Lane corn factor
1802 Middlesex Poll book John Bovill Milford Lane warehouse
                                    John Bovill junior Milford Lane land
1806 Poll book  corn factor Milford Lane voted for Sheridan and Paull
1814-1817 Westminster Rates John Bovill and Co Milford Lane
1818 Poll book John Bevill junior Milford Lane corn merchant voted Romilly and Maxwell
July 1829 Westminster Rates John Bovill and Co Keenes Wharf
1836-1838 same  Bovills Wharf
Last entry no address Westminster 1847.

Children of John and Mary Ann I can see
Elizabeth Ilif  24 April/12 June 1796 St Martins i F, and as you said John William at Romford 21.1.1798.

Of course I can't be sure the first lot of Bevills John and Elizabeth and that family are the parents of John who married Mary Ann Skinner.

I'll see what else i can dig up.

Ciderdrinker

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ciderdrinker..as a west country lad in the north who likes a jar ( or two ) I thank you for your efforts in providing this amount of info . Its far more than ever expected and gives me some further research to do before visiting London .
Top quality and appreciate any extra info . you may find . Always surprised at the amount of time some provide on this site to support others .

[ciderdrinker]

Well thank you for that .
I should say I'm not 100 % sure the two families match up.
I can't see a death for John Bovill senior and a nice juicy Will which would clinch it.
And I am a bit worried about this chap.
Benjamin Bevill corn merchnat 1841 census  Milford Lane

bapt 15 Jan 1776 St Saviour Southwick -no parents given and much of 1767-1781 register unreadable.
Marriage St brides 10.9.1808 Ann Stevens wit Josiah Stevens ,Charles Jemmet,Thomas Ranshon and Frances Ragway

Benjamin 66 corn merchant N
Ann 59 N
Ann 25
John 19
George 19
Walter 17

1851 in Wimbledon Dunsford Lodge
Benjamin 76 corn merchnat Surrey Bankside
Ann 67 Kingston
William barrister 36 St Catherin Couch?
John E 31 corn Merchant
George H 29 engineer
Walter 26 wine merchant
Priscilla ? 21 Farnham

He is buried Wimbledon 23 Jan 1864

It just seems a bit of a coincidence.
But your John Bovill /Bevill the younger definitely has a father John Bovill /Bevill the elder.

All the best with your trip

Ciderdrinker

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Again sterling effort so thankyou for your time .
I found Benjamin on Londonlives yesterday and have tried to piece together his and the other info . found . What a great site . Benjamin now interests me and may lead me in research to a deffo . family connection .

The Bovill / Bevil ( and variants of the name ) are known at Millford Lane and so I believe ( not because it suits ) that he maybe a brother to John ( the elder ) , we'll see in time .
Again its something to look for in Westminster Archives and a possible thread I never had a few days ago . Millford Lane is a very small lane off of St . Clement Danes and it is to much of a coincidence to believe the surname similarity isn't the same family .
The son ( John Bevil ) bp . Romford seems to have been a ' bit of a lad ' through his life and created much disc . on here in the last 10 years over many posts . A Walter Mitty second life and pos . mrg .  ( Melville ) has been documented by various posts . Alongwith many brushes with the courts regarding failures in his many businesses in the London area and Cheltenham ( pos . Oxford ) , he seems to have died in Walthamstow and bur . at Nunhead . I have pieced together much of his two lives , photographed sites of houses , workplaces etc..( and had to fill in odd pos . gaps  ) .

Thankyou again . If anything pops up in the future regarding the Bevil / Skinner connection in the immediate area , I hope you remember me as it may be of interest .

[ciderdrinker]

Well -- just  to add on the Skinner side

Mary Ann Skinner d of John and Elizabeth Skinner 23.1.1769 Clement Danes.
The witnesses to the wedding Charlott and Rebecca Skinner are her sisters.
Charlotte 3.8.1778 married John James Meredith 4.1.1805 by licence CD wit Edward Meredith and Richard Wilkinson (she signed without the e on both.)
Rebecca 13.7.1773 married John Hooper  of st Sepulcre at CD 5.12.1809 wit John Skinner and Eliza Gibbs.
Other siblings Daniel 28.5.1770,William 20..2.1772 ,Henry 20.4.1775 married Mary Hooper 7.11.1798 by licence CD .,Jane 10.12.1776,and Sarah 29.7.1781-2.3.1783.
A John Skinner bach married an Elizabeth Wilson spinster there 11.2.1768 by licence.He was of St Sepulcre.

Elizabeth Skinner  Admin 15.10.1815 wife of John Skinner late of Temple Bar in parish of Clement Danes Died 1807 (burial 27 Dec 1807 CD age 70) admin to son Henry Skinner. £40.
So John must have died after 1815.
He was a tobacco and snuff manufacturer

Fire  insurance John Skinner tobacconist the Strand £600 Sun .no 243 1785
There is a whole website with pretty pictures on the family

http://www.skinner.org.au/skinner_family_tree.html

See what you think .It looks good but I haven't checked everything but it's nice to see some pictures and details of addresses etc.

All the best


Ciderdrinker

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In addition - Familysearch gives quite an amount of info . on Benjamin inc . photograph .
It inc . pos . dates of birth - 28 Feb 1779 Southwark and death 17 Jan 1864 Merton . Again , something to work on .