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is this valid
« on: Monday 26 June 23 15:43 BST (UK) »
I was watching a tv programme about the vikings the other. night and the presenter underwent a dna test, which differentiated between English, north European and viking....is it really possible to distinguish between these categories

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Re: is this valid
« Reply #1 on: Monday 26 June 23 16:17 BST (UK) »
Have a look at this web site:-

Genomic sequences showed Danish Vikings raided England, Swedish Vikings the Baltic and Norwegian Vikings visited Ireland, Iceland and Greenland. How they interacted is still a mystery, but we now know there was little genetic mingling.

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Aberdeen: Findlay-Shirras,McCarthy: MidLothian: Mason,Telford,Darling,Cruikshanks,Bennett,Sime, Bell: Lanarks:Crum, Brown, MacKenzie,Cameron, Glen, Millar; Ross: Urray:Mackenzie:  Moray: Findlay; Marshall/Marischell: Perthshire: Brown Ferguson: Wales: McCarthy, Thomas: England: Almond, Askin, Dodson, Well(es). Harrison, Maw, McCarthy, Munford, Pye, Shearing, Smith, Smythe, Speight, Strike, Wallis/Wallace, Ward, Wells;Germany: Flamme,Ehlers, Bielstein, Germer, Mohlm, Reupke

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Re: is this valid
« Reply #2 on: Monday 26 June 23 18:36 BST (UK) »
thanks. a lot ;)

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Re: is this valid
« Reply #3 on: Monday 26 June 23 20:15 BST (UK) »
where would German come. in. this scheme of things...
ive. got some German ancestry, but from the east of modern Germany
would that be classed as Northern European

wish id never started.... ???


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Re: is this valid
« Reply #4 on: Monday 10 July 23 16:18 BST (UK) »
You may be interested in the Genetic History of the United Kingdom; Peoples of The British Isles project, Oxford University, UK
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ANNHMzmxlI
Ingham, Crabtree, Ogden, Horsfield - Yorkshire, Dixon, Park, Spooner - Westmorland, Drinkwater - Lancashire,  Gonsalves, Tressler - Lahore, Pakistan, Oberbremer, Baute, Rieke, Lindemeier, Sewing, Mesterheide, Clauss, Althoff, Wortmann, - North-Rhine Westphalia, Germany, Grolms, Schonscheck, Weiss, Schwartz, Stephan, Weissin -West Prussia

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« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 11 July 23 00:20 BST (UK) »
where would German come. in. this scheme of things...
ive. got some German ancestry, but from the east of modern Germany
would that be classed as Northern European

wish id never started.... ???

I think the widowed Queen of Russia took part of eastern Germany under her wing -

Here's a short precis of events:-
Once upon a time part of Europe was ruled by Britain.  James VI became king of Scotland in 1567 when Mary Queen of Scots was forced to abdicate. On the death of Queen Elizabeth 1st in 1603, he became James I of England. He is thus known as James VI and I. In 1590 he married Anna, the sister of the Danish king, Christian IV.

At one time the European mainland consisted of several small States, Dukedoms and Princedoms,     

In those days, monarchs married off their sons and daughters in an effort to live peacefully.    King James VI of Scotland, who was also King James 1st of England/Wales married off his grand-daughter Sophia to a European Duke on payment of a dowry of a strip of Germanic Europe, which became "The Kingdom of Hanover" in Saxony. I remember being told by our school teacher that the people of Hannover considered themselves British and even copied the English habit of having "tea" at 4 o'clock.  Once the UK had an interest in the peoples of Europe we fought plenty of wars when Napoleon of  France, then Bismarck of Germanic Prussia led armies against the Kingdom of Hannover.   I believe that the Hessian Army of Hannover were billeted in southern England at one time.   If you come across a street, or any place named "Brunswick", it's the English translation of Braunschweig,  Saxony.

Once upon a time part of Europe was ruled by Britain.      The official current name of Germany is Federal Republic of Germany (Bundesrepublik Deutschland). The terms "Westdeutschland" and "Ostdeutschland" are still used for the western and the eastern parts of the German territory, respectively.   I think each state has its own president.
Aberdeen: Findlay-Shirras,McCarthy: MidLothian: Mason,Telford,Darling,Cruikshanks,Bennett,Sime, Bell: Lanarks:Crum, Brown, MacKenzie,Cameron, Glen, Millar; Ross: Urray:Mackenzie:  Moray: Findlay; Marshall/Marischell: Perthshire: Brown Ferguson: Wales: McCarthy, Thomas: England: Almond, Askin, Dodson, Well(es). Harrison, Maw, McCarthy, Munford, Pye, Shearing, Smith, Smythe, Speight, Strike, Wallis/Wallace, Ward, Wells;Germany: Flamme,Ehlers, Bielstein, Germer, Mohlm, Reupke

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Re: is this valid
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 12 July 23 12:22 BST (UK) »
Have a look at this web site:-

Genomic sequences showed Danish Vikings raided England, Swedish Vikings the Baltic and Norwegian Vikings visited Ireland, Iceland and Greenland. How they interacted is still a mystery, but we now know there was little genetic mingling.

url link

http://www.rootschat.com/links/01sew/
I should note that on the original research paper it stated:

"Importantly, however, it is currently impossible for us to distinguish Danish-like ancestry in the British Isles from that of the Angles and Saxons, who migrated in the 5th-to-6th centuries CE from Jutland and Northern Germany."


So the statement that there was little genetic mingling would seem to be rather carelessly misleading, because if the above is true, then they cannot really tell how much mingling there was between Danish Vikings in England, or Viking descended Normans, since their ancestry was so similar to that of the Anglo-Saxons and Jutes. With the Normans, it was even more similar, as Normans had large amounts of ancient Briton ancestry via Bretons, and Anglo-Saxons, because they actually settled Normandy before the Vikings did.