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Re: Charles Haldon in Dysart death 1842
« Reply #9 on: Sunday 02 July 23 23:28 BST (UK) »
Yes, terribly annoying.   Maybe they were non-conformists or Catholic.  Is is true that if they were non-conformists or Catholics that the births may not have been registered?     

However, I am sure this Charles is part of my Dysart family.  Several others were also linked to Sinclairtown.   

As part of my continued search:-   
There were two marriages for a James Halden in Dysart within one year; Margaret Anderson in 1791 and the other James Halden to Ann Anderson 1792.   At this stage I think I descend from the first marriage.  I can find six children to the 2nd marriage in 1792; but none to the first one in 1791.  Perhaps I should take another look at the OPR's to see if they haven't confused the names 'Marg'  /  'Mary'.


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Re: Charles Haldon in Dysart death 1842
« Reply #10 on: Monday 03 July 23 08:43 BST (UK) »
Is is true that if they were non-conformists or Catholics that the births may not have been registered?
Can-of worms time, I fear.

First, none of the births could have been registered because they all occurred long before the start of civil registration in 1855, when birth certificates were introduced in Scotland.

Second, the term 'non-conformist' was coined in England and specifically means someone who did not conform to the Church of England; it would apply to members of all presbyterian denominations. It is accordingly meaningless in relation to Scotland, even though it is (regrettably) sometimes used as if it were.

Yes, it is true that many of the baptism records of Catholics or of adherents of the numerous breakaway denominations in Scotland have not survived, and a few of those that have survived, along with baptisms in the Scottish Episcopal Church, are not available online.

However it is also true that the records of many baptisms in the Church of Scotland have not survived either, so the absence of a baptism record doesn't really tell you anything.
Never trust anything you find online (especially submitted trees and transcriptions on Ancestry, MyHeritage, FindMyPast and other commercial web sites) unless it's an image of an original document - and even then be wary because errors can and do occur.

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Re: Charles Haldon in Dysart death 1842
« Reply #11 on: Monday 03 July 23 10:30 BST (UK) »
I think these may be the two marriages you refer to, I guess this is your direct ancester?

ANDERSON   MARGARET   JAMES HALDANE   22/01/1791   DYSART
ANDERSON   MARY   JAMES HALDANE   30/09/1792   DYSART

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Clarke, Trickett, Orton, Lawless, Norton, Detheridge, Kirby, Goodfellow, Wagstaff, Lowe, etc.

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Re: Charles Haldon in Dysart death 1842
« Reply #12 on: Monday 03 July 23 10:57 BST (UK) »

However, I am sure this Charles is part of my Dysart family.  Several others were also linked to Sinclairtown.   


The fact that the two marriages for Charles were in Dundee and the second one was in 1733 what makes you think that James who married 1n 1791/92 was the son of Charles?

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Clarke, Trickett, Orton, Lawless, Norton, Detheridge, Kirby, Goodfellow, Wagstaff, Lowe, etc.


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Re: Charles Haldon in Dysart death 1842
« Reply #13 on: Monday 03 July 23 11:09 BST (UK) »
I note that there was at least another two James Ha*d*n* born
1733 - 1757 in Dysart or nearby and many more elsewhere.

Below are the only records I can see in Fife, father James with any wife.

Parents JAMES HADDEN OR HALDEN & MARY ANDERSON
HADDEN   JOHN   05/02/1797
HADDEN   MARY   05/05/1799
HADDEN   CATHRINE   16/05/1802
HALDEN   JAMES   11/06/1804
HALDEN   WILLIAM   06/07/1806

There happens to be only one record each at Dysart 1757 – 1777 for James & Mary, this does not mean that they are the ones who married in 1792.

HALDANE   JAMES   WILLIAM HALDANE/CHRIST. ADAMSON   08/01/1764   DYSART
ANDERSON   MARY   JOHN ANDERSON/JEAN LECKY   14/02/1768   DYSART

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Re: Charles Haldon in Dysart death 1842
« Reply #14 on: Monday 03 July 23 21:54 BST (UK) »
Excellent.  I am going to work on the Jean Leckie/Lecky/Lacky marriage to John Anderson in 1768; as on looking at my DNA thru lines; it would appear I have two dna matches 5th cousin 1 segment to Jean Leckie.    This would put the relationship at the approximate right time. 

One of their children being Mary Anderson could be the Mary Anderson who married James Haldane in 1792.

I noticed that on the SP website there are only three children born to this couple; and one of them (Isabel b. 1777) obviously died as another female with the same name is born in 1781. 

Also, there is quite a gap between the first child Mary in 1768 and Isabel b. 1777.  I will go on the hunt for some more children.

Mary b. 14/2/1768 Dysart
Isabel b. 9/3/1777 Dysart
Isabel b. 14/9/1781Dysart (wit. James Alison and Thomas Gallaway)

Thanks heaps.

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Re: Charles Haldon in Dysart death 1842
« Reply #15 on: Tuesday 04 July 23 09:13 BST (UK) »
See SP indexes for:

Marriage of John Anderson and Jean Leckie in Dysart 19/02/1762

Births of 8 children to John Anderson and Jean Lecky/LackyLeaky in Dysart between 1865 and 1781

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Re: Charles Haldon in Dysart death 1842
« Reply #16 on: Tuesday 04 July 23 09:14 BST (UK) »
Sorry - between 1765 and 1781 !

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Re: Charles Haldon in Dysart death 1842
« Reply #17 on: Tuesday 04 July 23 10:32 BST (UK) »
ANDERSON   MARY   JOHN ANDERSON/JEAN LECKY   14/02/1768   DYSART
In addition to Mary, the records for James below might also be of interest.

HALDANE   JAMES   WILLIAM HALDANE/CHRIST. ADAMSON   08/01/1764   DYSART

HALDIN   JAMES   DAVID HALDIN/ELSPET THOMSON   28/10/1750   DYSART

Below might be the family for William & David above.

JAMES HALDIN & MARGARET DOUGAL (NO MARRIAGE)
Births/Baptisms DYSART
HADDEN   JOHN   1/02/1710   
HADDON   DAVID   17/08/1712   
HADDEN   ELIZABETH   20/02/1715   
HADDEN   WILLIAM   14/07/1717   
HADDIN   ISABEL   17/01/1720   
HADDIN   MARGARET   05/12/1722   
HALDIN   MATTHEW   25/02/1726   
HALDIN   ANNA   25/02/1726   DIED 25/12/1729
HALDIN   HENRY   05/01/1729   DIED 25/12/1729
HALDIN   CHARLES   05/01/1729   

Kirk Session Records.
There is a reference to the name James Haddon in August 1709.
Marg Dougall is on the following page in a list of the poor in the parish.

POSSIBLE DEATH?

JAMES HALDIN      29/12/1749   DYSART

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Clarke, Trickett, Orton, Lawless, Norton, Detheridge, Kirby, Goodfellow, Wagstaff, Lowe, etc.