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Re: Spooner and deacon's
« Reply #27 on: Monday 03 July 23 12:33 BST (UK) »
St Mary Islington burial
1846 Aug 2, Martha DEACON, Palmer St, aged 74

Hannah DEACON is still in Palmer St in 1861. Also in 1871 with brother Thomas.

Thomas was at same address in 1851 as Mary Ann CLAY, his sister, on same image - Class: HO107; Piece: 1501; Folio: 474; Page: 40

There is one tree on Ancestry for this DEACON family. Search for Hannah DEACON born 1810 Abbots Langley, Hertfordshire. Parents Thomas DEACON and Martha WHEELER.

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Re: Spooner and deacon's
« Reply #28 on: Tuesday 04 July 23 08:34 BST (UK) »
I wonder if any of the other names in 1881 at that “MABYS” address, are also on the Almora. It would make sense that they send a group of girls together I would have thought.

I checked a few of them there from 1881 but didn't see any real sign of any emigration to Australia.
On the only digital image I could find for the Almora (are there others?) I think it said there were 16 unmarried women.

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Re: Spooner and deacon's
« Reply #29 on: Tuesday 04 July 23 08:55 BST (UK) »
Wow, okay I have so many questions. First though, thank you everyone for your continued efforts. I am slightly confused though. With Hannah Wilson nee Deacon, you're saying that she is possibly Ellen Spooner's (1863/-/+1) mother, correct?
why would her name be listed as Ellen and not Hannah on the marriage and death certificates? and if she was already married per the Wilson, why did Ellen not take on the Wilson name?
Did Ellen spooner stay with her mother after being discharged from the workhouse?
Could this possibly be the wrong family?
I know you guys probably don't know the answers to this question, but if anyone has more knowledge of why these things don't add up, I would very much appreciate it.
Regards Adriana.

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Re: Spooner and deacon's
« Reply #30 on: Tuesday 04 July 23 19:35 BST (UK) »
There were no checks at that time to verify who you were. She could make up any name she wanted.



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Re: Spooner and deacon's
« Reply #31 on: Tuesday 04 July 23 21:14 BST (UK) »
I think it said there were 16 unmarried women.

For Townsville, probably.
There were 104 single women on the Almora, under the care/direction of "Miss Chase"
Good article here
The R.M.S. Almora
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/71985107

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« Reply #32 on: Tuesday 04 July 23 21:35 BST (UK) »
With Hannah Wilson nee Deacon, you're saying that she is possibly Ellen Spooner's (1863/-/+1) mother, correct?

No, I'm afraid she isn't.
From the Islington A+D register
Hannah Deacon (Wilson) was discharged 26 March 1862, order of Master, with a grant of 1 shilling.

Her baby was not with her.
Because on the 4th March 1862, in the discharges is
Mary Ann Wilson / Deacon
Died 7.15 p.m.
Aged 6 weeks.

Death
WILSON, MARY  ANN     
Age at Death (in years): 0 
GRO Reference: 1862  M Quarter in ISLINGTON  Volume 01B  Page 171


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Re: Spooner and deacon's
« Reply #33 on: Tuesday 04 July 23 22:04 BST (UK) »
On the only digital image I could find for the Almora (are there others?)

The bigger picture one may be
Register of passengers on immigrant ships arriving in Queensland - No. 4
29/06/1882 - 15/06/1883
https://www.archivessearch.qld.gov.au/items/ITM18479

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DR37833 Register of Immigrants: Almora, 1882-1883
Image 3
Townsville Free (continued)
Ellen Spooner 19

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Re: Spooner and deacon's
« Reply #34 on: Wednesday 16 August 23 01:38 BST (UK) »
Possibly Ellen in 1881 census
22 New Ormond St, St Andrews, Finsbury, London.
Ellen SPOONER, boarder, umn, 18, Domestic serv. out of place, born Middlesex, London
Class: RG11; Piece: 339; Folio: 40; Page: 13;

PO London Directory 1882
22 New Ormond St. Queen sq. (W.C.)
Metropolitan Association for Befriending Young Servants
Miss Alice Margaret Mackenzie, lady superintendnt
Miss Mary Louisa Dunkerton, matron

Prior to that it was an industrial school for girls.  There is a workhouse record for Ellen SPOONER aged 7 in 1872, destitute, to be sent to school.  Chelsea board of guardians, Britten Street, Old and New Workhouses, 1872-1873.

Some info on the Ormond Street institution

https://www.ucl.ac.uk/bloomsbury-project/institutions/home_workhouse_girls.htm

Debra  :)

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Re: Spooner and deacon's
« Reply #35 on: Wednesday 16 August 23 11:39 BST (UK) »
Thank you Debra! Would you be able to tell me where you found the record? I looked at Chelsea board of guardians, Britten Street, Old and New Workhouses, 1872-1873, but couldn't see an Ellen Spooner. Maybe I'm not looking properly?🤷 Again thank u for your help