In search of Eliza Watts Dempsey

[slewis]

Hi  all
I think I have tried most places but can not find Eliza, I know she married
Alfred Benjamin Kelly in Aug 1871 Manchester.
Eliza father name was Thomas Dempsey, I have not been able to find anything before that.
Eliza may have died at some point before 1886 or Benjamin left her.

I believe  Benjamin as he was known by 1881 was living  in Liverpool with a lady Mary Louisa Levine and did not married her until June 1886 .

I believe Alfred Benjamin and Benjamin Kelly are both the same man,  my great grandfather.

Benjamin is my brick wall I know his father was John, and he was born in Manchester married Mary and had my gran Lillian Kelly born 1889  Manchester,  who is another story.

Sorry to be so long winded,  but any help would be very much appreciated.
kind regards Sue

[ColC]

I guess this is the 1881 census you mention?

10, Percy Grove, Kirkdale, West Derby, Lancashire
Benjamin   Kelly   Head      36   1845   Police officer lanc & york ry   Manchester, Lancashire
Mary   Kelly   Wife   Married   22   1859   -   Liverpool, Lancashire
Ada   Kelly   Daughter      1   1880   -   Liverpool, Lancashire

Colin

[rosie99]

1891 with dtr Lilian has Benjamin Kelly age 50 bn Manchester and wife Mary 36 born Liverpool
Children Emily 7, Alfred 6, Denis 4 and Lilian 2
RG12/3234 f60 p7

[ColC]

I note the Marriage Sep 1871
 
Kelly    Alfred Benjamin to DEMPSEY  Eliza Watts     Manchester    8d   291

I do not see a birth registration for Alfred Benjamin, the only other below?
      
KELLY, ALFRED       mmn FURNISS 
GRO Reference: 1843  J Quarter in MANCHESTER  Volume 20  Page 648

Colin

[ColC]

Birth registration - Coincidence?

KELLY, ELIZA  ANN     DEMPSEY 
GRO Reference: 1873  M Quarter in MANCHESTER  Volume 08D  Page 267

Colin

[slewis]

Hi Colin and Rosie thank you for your kind help yes that is them in Percy grove and them in Manchester 1891.
I believe Benjamin could have a brother John born about 1853 as I found Alfred Benjamin
as a witness at the marriage of John Kelly and Mary Hagin in 1871 Manchester.

in 1901 I found who I think was my gran in Sheffield also in the house is Mary Kelly nee Hagin and her children, I do know my gran spent time there also some connection to a coal dealer ( Mary brother in law ) my gran had a lot of secrets.
thank you both again kind regards Sue