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Missing Pages/addresses in census?
« on: Friday 07 July 23 19:32 BST (UK) »
Hi!
I'm using ancestry so can't search censuses by address.
I have found 174 Bute St, Cardiff, in 1871 and 1891 but can't in 1881.
Strangely, I have found 175 Bute St (RG 11/5280, p90) but the page before is a different street.

Can anyone help me?

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Re: Missing Pages/addresses in census?
« Reply #1 on: Friday 07 July 23 20:00 BST (UK) »
FindMyPast address search doesn't list No. 174. No missing pages reported.
www.findmypast.co.uk/articles/census-for-england-wales-and-scotland-missing-pieces
You can search by street name on Ancestry by using the Card Catalogue, choose 1881 Wales census and put street name in keyword box.



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Re: Missing Pages/addresses in census?
« Reply #2 on: Friday 07 July 23 20:24 BST (UK) »
Different sides of the street may well be on different census pieces. Search for the 1871 and 1891 neighbours ( by name)  in the 1881
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Re: Missing Pages/addresses in census?
« Reply #3 on: Friday 07 July 23 20:46 BST (UK) »
Very helpful indeed, thank you both!
Unfortunately I have turned up nothing again. It seems most of the folk in these streets are highly mobile mariner types.

The fella I'm looking for is Antionio De Torres and his family, sometimes Anthony Tory. Wife Harriet. Easily enough found in 1871 and 1891 but nothing in 1881. I was looking up his usual haunts like Bute St.


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Re: Missing Pages/addresses in census?
« Reply #4 on: Friday 07 July 23 20:47 BST (UK) »
Checking Bute Street on the 1881 Census it lists 194 households - Nos. Nos 1-154 and 175- 298.

Butcher's Cardiff Directory 1880-81
Cardiff Street Directory
Bute Street
174 Torres A, Grocer
here is South Loudon Place

Here's an item about the occupier
https://newspapers.library.wales/view/4404567/4404570/32/%22174%20bute%20street%22

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Re: Missing Pages/addresses in census?
« Reply #5 on: Friday 07 July 23 20:50 BST (UK) »
I have just checked all 1,142 residents of Bute Street, Cardiff in the 1881 census and there's no entry for 174. As the OP said, the nearest abode is 175 which is the first entry at the top of page 90 of RG11/5280/144 with the schedule number 462. The last entry on the previous page is schedule number 461 and is 26 Francis Street. Francis Street does not appear to exist today so it's hard to work out what route the enumerator might have followed. I also didn't find any houses in the low 160s or 170s Bute Street, suggesting that either they didn't exist in 1881 or that indeed a few pages are missing.

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Re: Missing Pages/addresses in census?
« Reply #6 on: Friday 07 July 23 21:02 BST (UK) »
South Louden Place still exist today so it's possible to pinpoint the approximate place where 174 once stood. There's an old wall with a railway (built in 1840) on the other side to the east of Bute Street, so I think that even in 1881, the houses/tenements  were only on one side of the road.
https://www.google.com/maps/place/Bute+St,+Cardiff/@51.4698727,-3.16881,102m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m6!3m5!1s0x486e034ae9ed98f7:0xd0fbde611ce5ae7a!8m2!3d51.4708678!4d-3.1695538!16s%2Fm%2F026x59_?hl=en&entry=ttu

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Re: Missing Pages/addresses in census?
« Reply #7 on: Friday 07 July 23 21:19 BST (UK) »
Thank you all, very helpful! Especially the newspapers.
See this one, which refers to what seems like the sale of property which may have included 174 in 1876. Perhaps that property was changed or removed before 1881?
But 174 appears on 1891  :-\
https://newspapers.library.wales/view/3076617/3076618/1/%22Mr%20Torres%22

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Re: Missing Pages/addresses in census?
« Reply #8 on: Friday 07 July 23 21:34 BST (UK) »
Butcher's Directory 1880/81 has Nos 169-174 between Loudon Terrace and South Loudon Place.

You can see Loudon Terrace on this map
https://maps.nls.uk/view/229407465

South Loudon Place is south of Loudon terrace
https://maps.nls.uk/view/229407516

No 174 was on the corner of Bute St and South Loudon Terrace