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He died twice!? - Multiple KIA dates (& proof!)
« on: Monday 10 July 23 07:31 BST (UK) »
Hi all, please help, am I being stupid?
When researching this soldier, I consistently find two KIA dates. On the attached image, both appear on the same record. How do I interpret this?

In the war office daily list, he is reported wounded, then missing, then killed. I wonder if that might explain it?

Thanks in advance my friends!
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Re: He died twice!? - Multiple KIA dates (& proof!)
« Reply #1 on: Monday 10 July 23 07:36 BST (UK) »
I am in the middle of reading a book about the horrors of the first world war and am in fact up to 1917.  I think you are probably correct in your assumption.

Mu guess is that he was mortally wounded on 31/July, missing assumed dead,  found briefly,  but actually died on 4/August once brought in from where he'd been hit.   
I don't know - merely a guess, but it could be quite possible, I suspect.

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Gaunt, Ransom, McNally, Stanfield, Kimberley. (Tasmania)
Brown, Johnstone, Eskdale, Brand  (Dumfriesshire,  Scotland)
Booth, Bruerton, Deakin, Wilkes, Kimberley
(Warwicks, Staffords)
Gaunt (Yorks)
Percy, Dunning, Hyne, Grigg, Farley (Devon, UK)
Duncan (Fife, Devon), Hugh, Blee (Cornwall)
Green, Mansfield, (Herts)
Cavenaugh, Ransom (Middlesex)
 

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Re: He died twice!? - Multiple KIA dates (& proof!)
« Reply #2 on: Monday 10 July 23 07:39 BST (UK) »
Thanks wiggy. Also in the mix is the fact that he is variously recorded as KIA and Died of Wounds. Again, sometimes in the same record such as the attached

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Re: He died twice!? - Multiple KIA dates (& proof!)
« Reply #3 on: Monday 10 July 23 07:51 BST (UK) »
CWGC record his death as 4 August 1917, and buried/commemorated at Cement House Cemetery in Belgium.

Transcriptions and NBI are merely finding aids.  They are NOT a substitute for original record entries.
Remember - "They'll be found when they want to be found" !!!
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Re: He died twice!? - Multiple KIA dates (& proof!)
« Reply #4 on: Monday 10 July 23 08:34 BST (UK) »
Weekly Casualty List (War Office & Air Ministry), 23 Oct 1917

"Previously reported wounded and missing in action
KILLED
Royal Welsh Fusiliers - ...; Thomas 56908 L.-Sjt E (Cardiff)"

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Re: He died twice!? - Multiple KIA dates (& proof!)
« Reply #5 on: Monday 10 July 23 08:42 BST (UK) »
Weekly Casualty List, 18 Sep 1917

"Wounded
Royal Welsh Fusiliers - ...; Thomas 56908 L.-Sjt G (sic) Cardiff; ..."

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Re: He died twice!? - Multiple KIA dates (& proof!)
« Reply #6 on: Monday 10 July 23 08:43 BST (UK) »
The pension document as amended shows a date range: 31-7-17 - 4.8.17
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Re: He died twice!? - Multiple KIA dates (& proof!)
« Reply #7 on: Monday 10 July 23 12:09 BST (UK) »
He was still fit & well on the 2nd. Aug. as he's mentioned in the war diary as going on
patrol.
Warks:Ashford;Cadby;Clarke;Clifford;Cooke Copage;Easthope;
Edmonds;Felton;Colledge;Lutwyche;Mander(s);May;Poole;Withers.
Staffs.Edmonds;Addison;Duffield;Webb;Fisher;Archer
Salop:Easthope,Eddowes,Hoorde,Oteley,Vernon,Talbot,De Neville.
Notts.Clarke;Redfearne;Treece.
Som.May;Perriman;Cox
India Kane;Felton;Cadby
London.Haysom.
Lancs.Gay.
Worcs.Coley;Mander;Sawyer.
Kings of Wessex & Scotland
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Re: He died twice!? - Multiple KIA dates (& proof!)
« Reply #8 on: Monday 10 July 23 12:17 BST (UK) »
Further to the previous posting, Major J Williams returned and reported that there was no enemy counter-attack underway. Nothing was noted about any casualties among his patrol. See second image below

Sgt Thomas also appears to have been alive on 11 August when he received the Military Medal. No mention of it being a postumous award. See first image.
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