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John Smale Ann Pope Children
« on: Friday 14 July 23 22:07 BST (UK) »
Looking for children of

Ann Pope

BIRTH abt 1811 Coldridge, Devon, U.K  Parents Thomas Pope and Grace Handcock

DEATH 02 AUG 1879  4 Phene St, Chelsea, London, England

John Smale

BIRTH Abt. 1803  Littlehampton, Devon, England

DEATH 21 JAN 1879  4 Phene St, Chelsea, London, England Parents believed to be John Smale and Francis Unknown. Some suggest wife was Ann and there is a birth 16 Jan 1805  and baptism 17 Feb 1805 recorded in Exeter in England & Wales, Non-Conformist and Non-Parochial Registers, 1567-1936

They married 27 Dec 1832 Exeter All Hallows Goldsmith St Devon

A number of researchers had pointed to several children but the birth dates for one is prior to marriage and documents are not provided by others.  The suggested children are


John Parker Smale  1830–1891  Birth seems wrong

Betsey Smale 1833–  Seems to fit based on 1841 Census

John Penwarden Smale 1834–1897  Further research finds a John Smale and spouse Penwarden which would make sense and eliminate this child

William Smale 1835–1898 Seems to fit from 1841 Census  Potential baptism 11 Jan 1835

James Smale 1836–1897 Possible from 1851 Census  Birth suggested as 20 Sep 1836

Mary Ann Smale 1838–1912 Birth suggested as 10 Jul 1838 and this child fits my tree as I have images of her in personal photos and another researcher has same image both with name written on back

Lucy Smale 1840– Seems to fit from 1841 Census

Fanny Smale 1841–1905  Married a mariner Nicholas Moalle in China according to some .

Lots of "hints" but documents at my end are lacking.

I have more unconfirmed details on marriages for some of above but simply hypothetical for the most part.
Dunbar, Clark,Bain, Lipp, Campbell, Pope, Barnard, Handcock, McAdams,Creath

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Re: John Smale Ann Pope Children
« Reply #1 on: Friday 14 July 23 22:24 BST (UK) »
Two definites from the GRO records - they only start in Sept 1837, though

SMALE, MARY  ANN      
mother's maiden name POPE     
Q3 1838  EXETER  Volume 10  Page 92

SMALE, THOMAS
mmn        POPE     
Q1 1842 EXETER  Volume 10  Page 104


There's a Lucy Smale registered in Torrington district in 1840, but with mmn Gilbert


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Re: John Smale Ann Pope Children
« Reply #2 on: Friday 14 July 23 22:27 BST (UK) »
What censuses are they on?

2 x Fanny Smale births in Devon on freebmd both 1840.  GRO online shows mmn's as Perry & Searl

Her birth may not have been registered

Mary Ann's  birth 1838 shows mmn Pope
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Re: John Smale Ann Pope Children
« Reply #3 on: Friday 14 July 23 22:29 BST (UK) »
Looking t 1841, Lucy Smale is with parents John & Ann and sister Betsey in Great Torrington

Think this is your family, if the names are correct - in Castle St, Exeter
John Smales    35 - joiner
Ann Smales   30 - miliner
William Smales   6
James Smales   4
Mary A Smales    2
Fanny Smales     1
Mary Lee   17


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Re: John Smale Ann Pope Children
« Reply #4 on: Friday 14 July 23 22:35 BST (UK) »
1851 - Kensington, London

John Smales    48    carpenter b Devon
Ann Smales   40    
John P Smales   17    
William Smales    16    
James Smales   14    
Mary Ann Smales   12    
Fanny Smales           10    
Sarah Lerntton   22    Lodger

Baptisms, St Lawrence parish, Exeter (where family is in 1841). Parents John and Ann

John Parker Smale    3 Nov 1833
William Smale    11 Jan 1835    
James Smale    9 Oct 1836

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Re: John Smale Ann Pope Children
« Reply #5 on: Friday 14 July 23 22:38 BST (UK) »
Two possible deaths for Thomas b 1842

SMALE, THOMAS
Age 1 
Q4 1843 EXETER  Volume 10  Page 74

SMALE, THOMAS
Age 2 
Q3  1844  EXETER  Volume 10  Page 68

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Re: John Smale Ann Pope Children
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 16 July 23 19:34 BST (UK) »
Thank for all the feedback so far.  I am updating my records and see where that leads
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Re: John Smale Ann Pope Children
« Reply #7 on: Saturday 22 July 23 19:32 BST (UK) »
Found a bit more on child John Parker Smale.


In 1841 he was in Brushford With Thomas Pope and Grace Handcock, his grandparents

In 1871 he was in Medina,Ohio and was naturalized 9 Sep 1871.  His sister Mary Ann lived in Medina with spouse Richard Gibbings.  John Parker Smale is a house painter

A voter registration 20 Sep 1890 places him in Pasadena and reports the naturalization in Medina. Sister Mary Ann was in Pasadena by that point.

So far nothing  after the voter registration.  Some researchers have death in 1891 but no documentation


Dunbar, Clark,Bain, Lipp, Campbell, Pope, Barnard, Handcock, McAdams,Creath