Greystoke marriage 1796 - Pilley and Grave

[nja53]

Hi, trying to confirm details about John Pilley and Elizabeth Grave who were married at Greystoke 26th June 1796. So far so good but it would be really helpful if there was any details about John being from elsewhere. Even 'of this parish' as in later register entries would help.

It's the only likely match to my Gt Gt etc etc grandfather who should really be from Worksop but was known to be a tinker and may well have made his way there. Relying on family 'legend' doesn't really help!

Theres also a Mary Pilley who married William Teasdale in 1799 there so it's probable they were related but how and why I don't know. Much searching doesn't give Pilley as a local name at all  but there is an Elizabeth Grave born in Penrith in 1774 who may be the one.

Ever hopeful, thanks Nick Pilley

[CaroleW]

OTP - of this parish - does not guarantee they were born there.  You only had to satisfy the 3 weeks residence condition to be classed as OTP

[nja53]

Thanks for the warning. Still, any addition would be a help. Nick

[ColC]

The Pilley surname is generally thought to be habitational name from either the place name Pillay, in southern Yorkshire; or Pilley in Hampshire. These place names are both thought to derive from the Old English word "pil" or "pile," meaning a "post," and "leah," which refers to a clearing in the woods.

I note the marriage on family search, no detail. No baptisms for them in Cumberland, Lancashire or Notts. I do not see a baptism for John in Worksop or elsewhere in the County but in West Yorkshire the name seems more common.

It might be worth looking at this family but there are others and it is 100 miles from Greystoke.

Parents John a Nailer & Elizabeth, there are other children on freereg.

George PILLEY   Baptism   06 Apr 1798   Yorkshire, West Riding   Wentworth: Holy Trinity : Parish Register, abode Thorpe Hesley


John PILLEY   Burial age 76   28 Mar 1839   Yorkshire, West Riding   Wentworth: Holy Trinity : Parish Register Born about 1763 abode Thorpe

John PILLEY Baptism   2 Dec 1763 Yorkshire, West Riding Wentworth: Holy Trinity : Parish Register

Father James abode Thorpe but another John born 1768 father James?

Colin

[ColC]

Just found this on freereg.

John PILLEY  to Harriet Eliza FURNISS

Marriage   28 Aug 1792   Nottinghamshire   Worksop : St Mary : Unspecified

Both single of the parish, witnesses Joh PILLEY & Sarah FURNISS

Banns She signs Harrot Elieos Furniss Witness 2 marks X

Colin

[nja53]

Worksop is the area that we all seem linked to. The John/Harriet may be related to an earlier generation. Unfortunately John and Elizabeth crop up regularly. I think I have separated two John/Elizabeth couples (reverse engineering from deaths and 'which part of town') but either could potentially be the ones I'm trying to pin down - although I have  a preferred pair. Also unfortunately not all the registers exist...

I've got no guaranteed information about the travelling tinker bit, just a family story although he was certainly a tinner and his son William (my Gt times 3 Gfr) was a tinner and brazier.

John's supposed to have married an Elizabeth Grey/Grave and supposedly in Greystoke. The 'Grey' may be a mix up with the name Grave and Greystoke. I've pulled Ancestry, Findmypast and Familysearch around in all possible ways with no further detail about th 1796 date.

 Nick