Crewe of Crewe Pedigree

[BronwenS]

Kia ora

I am trying to understand the attached pedigree

Looking at Thomas Crewe who married Amicia
Below their names to the left there are three names:
Jane wife of Ric. Praers aged 22 years 22 Edwd I had issue. (1294)
Amicia 1357
Elianora 1361
The dates beside them (dates of the two Edwards who were Kings) are confusing.  I can’t understand it because Jane couldn’t have been their mother, not sure why they are here.

Any help appreciated.

Nga mihi nui (best wishes)
Bronwen
Aotearoa

[goldie61]

It's a pretty  small clip  Bronwyn, and is very unclear when you zoom in.
It's nigh on impossible to make out some of the numbers of the regnal years.

Are they not the years they died, instead of their birth dates?

If the letters before Elianora are 'd.s.p', (can't make out the first letter), that means they died without any issue, (descessit sine parole').
A better image would be helpful.

[Little Nell]

Amicia and Elianora (who appear under Jane's name) are Jane's siblings and the daughters of Thomas & Amicia.

As far as the dates are concerned, Jane was aged 22 in the year 1293/94.  Her sister Elianora died without issue and her IPM was held in the year 1351.  I'm not sure is the date for Amicia is last known date when she was alive or the date of her death.

Perhaps a search through the IPM here might help provide some clarity:

https://www.british-history.ac.uk/inquis-post-mortem/vol3
https://www.british-history.ac.uk/inquis-post-mortem/vol9
https://www.british-history.ac.uk/inquis-post-mortem/vol10

Nell

[elzabels]

I googled Thomas de Crewe married Amicia, quite a few hits including National Archives / familysearch etc.

[BronwenS]

Many thanks to you alll.l

Nga mihi
Bronwen
Aotearoa

[garstonite]

is this them ?  i am a little confused ...

https://gw.geneanet.org/andrewrobertwells?n=de+crewe&oc=1&p=thomas

[BronwenS]

Kia ora

I have seen that one and I know there are things wrong with it.  This is what I have and I know that only the begining with Henry is correct pretty much date wise, and the final grouping.  But somewhere in there I have some other dates wrong, I am going off a a pedigree I have.  I need to re-look at the dates for much of it. 

Nga mihi
Bronwen
Aotearoa


Henry de Criwa 1070c had one son Henry de Crewe 1100c.

Henry de Crewe 1100c whose grandson was Thomas de Crew 1242

Henry de Crewe witness to a deed of William de Malbank in 1150
Henry de Crewe built a manor house 1170c. 

Sir Thomas de Crewe (1242) grandson of Henry, married Alice 1266c they had five children, Thomas Crew, of Crewe 1285c David de Crue 1302 Pulcroft, Cheshire; William Crue, Margery Crue, Rose Crue (Children, Dave to Rose are all mentioned in an inquisition taken in 1370c)

Thomas de Crewe of Crewe (1285) married and had a daughter Sibilla de Crewe of Aston (m.William Praers of Barthomley they had children).  Thomas’ 2nd marriage was to Agnes and they had five children:
Thomas de Crewe, David de Crue (m.Ellen Cholmondeley and they had one son Thomas Crue ancestors of Chewe of Holte), Nicholas de Crue 1317c (c.Ranulf de Crue), Patric de Crue (living in 1301 & 1311) (m.Margaret heiress of Thomas Worleston a widow 1339), William Crue of Aston in Mondrem (m.Amicia daughter of Thomas Minshull of Minshull) from whom Crue of Aston came.   

Thomas de Crewe married Amicia and they had three daughters Joan Crewe 1271 (Joan aged 34 married Richard de Prayers age 36) Amicia Crewe 1289 (co-heiress, m.Thomas Prayers of Barthomley) Eleanor Crewe 1290 co-heiress.  On the death of Thomas Crue in 1293 Amicia married Robert de Thykenes and was widowed again.
Thomas Crue (Crewe) died before 8 December 1293, when a writ was issued regarding him to Robert de Valle Regali, escheator in co. Chester.

[Raybistre]

Hi, you have probably seen the Crewe pedigree in Ormerod's History of Cheshire, Helsby edition 1882, Vol 3 but maybe not the articles on the Crewe pedigree in "The Genealogist" New Series, Vol XXXVII, pub 1921, https://archive.org/details/genealogist3719selb/mode/2up?view=theater.
Ray

[BronwenS]

Great thanks, not sure why I don't have this, but I do have information from it.  Many thanks I will go through all of this and try and get some sense out of what I have.

Nga mihi
Bronwen Summers
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Aotearoa