Did Gertrude Giles & Albert William Giles die in IOM?

[CaroleW]

Gertrude Giles nee Quine was born in Onchan on 29.9.1901.  Parents James John Quine & Sarah nee Hamilton

In 1935 Gertrude had an illegitimate daughter in Manchester who was adopted at 6mths old & it is that daughter I am trying to help  find her mother's ancestry.  The daughters christian names were changed after the adoption.

In 1938 Gertrude married Albert William Giles in Manchester and they are both on the 1939 register in Manchester although Gertrude's birthdate is shown as 29.9.1902 and Albert's as 26.3.1902. 

I cannot find deaths for either of them after 1939 & wondered if they perhaps went to live in the IOM.  I even checked cwgc.org in case they died in WW2

Albert is not the 1972 death in Bedfordshire as that Albert can also be found in 1939 in Bedfordshire with the same birthdate.

Gertrude is not the 1989 death in Manchester as that Gertrude has a different birthdate & can be found on the 1939 register

I can't find any children born to them nor can I find any outgoing passenger records indicating they emigrated.

I have looked on Manx BMD but it came up with no results. 

I have all information up to 1939 but just need to find Gertrude's death if possible.

[ColC]

Are you sure about this death, could the 1939 register be wrong?

GILES, GERTRUDE    born    1901 
GRO Reference:  DOR  Q2/1989 in MANCHESTER  (0061G)  Volume 38  Page 1093

Civil Registration Indexes for the Isle of Man
1901   Quine   Gertrude   Onchan   A   1601

Gertrude Quine   Census 1911 Onchan, Isle of Man Birth 1901 Onchan, Isle of Man
Parents James Quine, Sarah Quine
Siblings Ethel E Quine, George H Quine, Lillie Quine, James Quine

Colin

[ColC]

I'm unable to see the 1939 register but these details on family search.

Gertrude Giles   Death Registration May 1989 Manchester, Lancashire Birth 25 March 1901

Gertrude Giles Death Date 23 May 1989

Burial Chorlton-Cum-Hardy, Metropolitan Borough of Manchester, Greater Manchester. Southern Cemetery

Colin

PS, no death for Gertrude on Isle of Man records.

[arthurk]

There's a death notice in the Manchester Evening News (19 May 1989, p.28) relating to this Gertrude. (It looks like it was the funeral on 23 May, not the death.)

It says she was aged 88, and a sister, aunt, great aunt and cousin. It gives the names of her parents (surname Giles), so it looks as though she was probably a spinster, and not the one we're looking for.

[KGarrad]

ManxBMD has a 2013 death for a William Giles?
It's the only death that comes close.

Only 10 deaths for Giles surname since 1889.

[CaroleW]

From my post

Gertrude is not the 1989 death in Manchester as that Gertrude has a different birthdate & can be found on the 1939 register

Re Albert Giles - the strange thing is I cannot find a birth reg for an Albert William Giles matching his birthdate.  The nearest is a birth in Bromsgrove in 1901 which I am currently looking at

It was only a hunch that they may have gone to live in the IOM during or after the war but looks like it was the wrong one so back to the drawing board

[ColC]

GILES, ALBERT  WILLIAM     POTTER 
GRO Reference: 1901  D Quarter in BROMSGROVE  Volume 06C  Page 377

GILES, ALBERT  WILLIAM     1 
GRO Reference: 1903  M Quarter in BROMSGROVE  Volume 06C  Page 215

Colin

[CaroleW]

Thanks ColC

Looks like he could have been "doing a Gertrude" & given the wrong birthyear