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Re: Just found a cousin in New Zealand need a bit of help
« Reply #18 on: Monday 31 July 23 17:04 BST (UK) »
Hi Makha
Yes you are right about the marriage itís not him.
Thank you for all your help kind regards Sue
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Re: Just found a cousin in New Zealand need a bit of help
« Reply #19 on: Tuesday 01 August 23 06:53 BST (UK) »
Hi Sue

I believe the following is the John ANDERSON you are seeking.
https://www.waitaki.govt.nz/Services/Cemeteries/Cemetery-search-and-maps/Cemetery-search

ANDERSON - John - Oamaru Lawn Cemetery - buried 24 June 1986 - RSA 22 Plot 6
[You will need to insert names into search box to bring up the record ]

There is no further info at that site but there is a photo of his plaque available at www.findagrave.com
   > >     search on New Zealand / Oamaru Lawn cemetery

The plaque information fits with war record given earlier. 
" 2149  --  J. Anderson - 2nd NZEF - NZ Engineers - SPR - died 21 June 1986"

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I am also sending you a PM in connection with this to verify with other info you may have :

[I consider it is always preferable to place all information on a thread, but meantime just need your confirmation that this is the correct John ANDERSON, before we proceed further with placing information to the thread.   ;D  ]

       ~  Lu

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Re: Just found a cousin in New Zealand need a bit of help
« Reply #20 on: Tuesday 01 August 23 07:17 BST (UK) »
HAMMOND, Cainham/Caynham, Shropshire, U.K. Otago-NZ.
GALBRAITH, Ireland, Dunedin, Otago-NZ., Kensington-London, U.K.
GRANT, Sct., Dunedin, Otago-NZ., Vancouver, Canada.
GLASS, Aberdeenshire, Otago-NZ.
CAIRNEY/CARNEY/KEARNEY/Ireland, Airdrie, Scotland, Otago-NZ.
O'BRIEN Mary Ann, Limerick, Otago-NZ.
NICOL(L) James, Scotland, Otago-NZ.
SCOTT Thomas, Shetland, Otago-NZ.
MCHARDY/MCHARDIE Euphemia, Scotland, Otago-NZ.

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Re: Just found a cousin in New Zealand need a bit of help
« Reply #21 on: Tuesday 01 August 23 07:21 BST (UK) »
John ANDERSON - burial at Oamaru ... continued  >

Had meant to add that there was no mention of an "age at death" for this chap (in order to establish he was born circa 1911).

The NZ (online) Death Index gives this >

1986 / 39369 - ANDERSON - John - 70* years   
[Date of death equates to 21 June 1986.]

[ * ... that either suggests that the informant to the death may have given incorrect "age"  ... OR ... that if age was "75 or 76 -  at time of death"  it may have been mis-transcribed in the online listing ??? ]

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Added :  Thanks for link to plaque, minnie.


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Re: Just found a cousin in New Zealand need a bit of help
« Reply #22 on: Wednesday 02 August 23 11:22 BST (UK) »
Hi all thanks again for all your help
Sorry I didn't get back to you yesterday, yes that is John who died in 1986 he married in 1955 it just a big gap from orphanage to going to war and getting married. Just were he was is a mystery
I am beginning to think may be Anderson was not his real name as I should be able to connect him to me but I have had no luck so far.
I am just sorry I couldn't give you more information you have all been great thank you so much . Kind regards Sue
Povah Liverpool,wrexham
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Yeo,Barrow in Furness, Stoke Damerel

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Re: Just found a cousin in New Zealand need a bit of help
« Reply #23 on: Tuesday 08 August 23 14:05 BST (UK) »
Hi all
I think I may have another clue or connection to John  Anderson .
I have just had another first/second cousin pop up again in New Zealand  that now makes
2 matches in New Zealand both first /second cousins.
 I have 2 names to go on
Laurence Bramwell Moses born on 9 March 1914 Ashburton, Canterbury, New Zealand and his mother name was  Fanny Aston born in 1872 in Cornwall died abt 1969 in New Zealand.
I have had a look at births only one Fanny Ashton in 1871 come up, no fanny Aston I also tried the name Frances but none in Cornwall.
if there is any chance you could see if you can find anything I would really appreciate it.
I know a few things come up on ancestry for Laurence but I only have UK and Ireland at the moment.
I have sent a message to this cousin but no reply yet.
Kind regards Sue
Povah Liverpool,wrexham
Kelly, Manchester, Yorkshire
Crook Liverpool, Bolton
Yeo,Barrow in Furness, Stoke Damerel

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Re: Just found a cousin in New Zealand need a bit of help
« Reply #24 on: Tuesday 08 August 23 17:55 BST (UK) »
It looks as though Laurence had at least four other siblings born between 1905 and 1911, with mother's name also being recorded as Fannie on one occasion.

1905/5524   Moses    Gladys Fanny                    Fanny   William John   
1907/17308   Moses    Hedley William George    Fanny   William John   
1910/5196   Moses    Phillis Mildred                    Fannie   William John   
1911/23042   Moses    Winifred Mary                    Fanny   William John   
1914/19686   Moses    Laurence Bramwell            Fanny   William John   

If the first child of the marriage was born in 1905 it suggests the marriage took place within a couple of years of this date, which then leads to this marriage of a Fanny Aston and William John Moses in 1903.

1903/6727   Fanny    Aston    William John    Moses

A printout of the marriage registration would presumably contain more information about Fanny's parents.

William's 1936 obituary in the Ashburton Guardian states he was from Cornwell, and also names Fanny's father as George Aston.

https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/AG19360602.2.18

Edited to add that Fanny's entry on Findagrave states that she was born in 1873 in Warwickshire, England, although the evidence for this statement is not given.

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/206669412/fanny-moses

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Re: Just found a cousin in New Zealand need a bit of help
« Reply #25 on: Tuesday 08 August 23 18:03 BST (UK) »
The arrival of Fanny Aston, aged 1, with the rest of her family, in New Zealand on 1 June 1874, on board the Ballochmyle. The manifest states that they were from Gloucestershire.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FSY9-X28

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Re: Just found a cousin in New Zealand need a bit of help
« Reply #26 on: Tuesday 08 August 23 18:17 BST (UK) »
And finally, given the apparent Warwickshire/Gloucestershire links, this looks to be the likeliest candidate for Fanny's birth in England.

ASTON, FANNY        Mother's maiden name: HUGHES     
GRO Reference: 1872  S Quarter in SHIPSTON ON STOUR  Volume 06D  Page 605

I can also find a sequence of three Aston/Hughes births registered in nearby Evesham that match the names and ages of the three older siblings of Fanny listed on the 1874 passenger manifest.

Edited to add that this appears to be Fanny's family as it was in the 1871 England and Wales census, living in Weston Subedge, Gloucestershire, more or less halfway between Evesham and Shipston on Stour.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:V5Y7-J5Q