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Can someone please Help me find the correct ancestor lines
« on: Monday 31 July 23 19:49 BST (UK) »
Can someone please Help me find the correct ancestor lines for Martha Jane Davies, there are so many Davies in Wales and I am struggling.  I was told by an aunt that the family ‘Davies’ were all from the Pontardawe area, not sure if this is 100% or not.

23 Oct 1890 • Glamorgan, Wales
DAVIES, MARTHA JANE Mothers maiden name: WILLIAMS GRO Reference: 1890 D Quarter in PONTARDAWE Volume 11A Page 694

Father: David Davies
Mother: Mary Williams (maybe)
Spouse: John Vickers

Witnesses on marriage certificate:
David D Davies & Maggie Davies

Marriage Date   4 Aug 1907
Marriage Place   Aberdare St John, Glamorganshire
Llanfair Church Cwmamman Glam (Chapel)


Many thanks in advance!

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Re: Can someone please Help me find the correct ancestor lines
« Reply #1 on: Monday 31 July 23 20:21 BST (UK) »
1921 Census: Martha Jane Vickers b. 1890 Llangyfelach, Glamorganshire and John Vickers b. 1884 Oldbury, Worcestershire, both living Llangiwg Pontardawe. There could be children six born in Llangiwg, but I cannot see the address.

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Re: Can someone please Help me find the correct ancestor lines
« Reply #2 on: Monday 31 July 23 20:30 BST (UK) »
1921 Census: Martha Jane Vickers b. 1890 Llangyfelach, Glamorganshire and John Vickers b. 1884 Oldbury, Worcestershire, both living Llangiwg Pontardawe. There could be children six born in Llangiwg, but I cannot see the address.

Thank you!

My Gran always lived in the same house Brook St/Terr.  I know all the descendants of Martha Jane and John Vickers just looking for the Martha's ancestors, her lines backwards. 

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« Reply #3 on: Monday 31 July 23 20:38 BST (UK) »
Census 31 March 1901 . Llangiwg, Glamorgan
Martha-Jane Davies b. 1891 Llangyfelach, Glamorgan
Parents: David Davies, Mary Davies
Siblings: Margaret Davies, Mary A Davies, David Davies, Edith Davies, Gladys Davies, Byddyg Davies, Olwen Davies
Schedule Type 305 . Piece/Folio 85 . Page Number 52


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« Reply #4 on: Monday 31 July 23 20:48 BST (UK) »
Marriage: David Davies 21 . Mary Williams 28 . Page 183
15 May 1875 . Llangiwg, St Peter, Glamorganshire

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Re: Can someone please Help me find the correct ancestor lines
« Reply #5 on: Monday 31 July 23 22:58 BST (UK) »
Census 31 March 1901 . Llangiwg, Glamorgan
Martha-Jane Davies b. 1891 Llangyfelach, Glamorgan
Parents: David Davies, Mary Davies
Siblings: Margaret Davies, Mary A Davies, David Davies, Edith Davies, Gladys Davies, Byddyg Davies, Olwen Davies
Schedule Type 305 . Piece/Folio 85 . Page Number 52

THANK YOU VERY MUCH!
I found out from the marriage cert that Mary's maiden name was Owen, she was a widow when she married David Davis.

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Re: Can someone please Help me find the correct ancestor lines
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 01 August 23 01:11 BST (UK) »
When I saw 28, I did wonder if she had been married before. Of the children listed in 1901, who was the father? In marrying again, they could have taken the Davies name when registered as Williams. I used the 1921, which gave her birthplace, so then I could find the right 1901 record.

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« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 01 August 23 11:03 BST (UK) »
1891 for above family
Clase Higher, Llangyfelach
Piece 4472, Folio   5, Page number   3

Mary Davies 31   Head married
Maggie Davies   11   Daughter
Mary Anne Davies 10   Daughter
David Davies 5   Son
Deborah Davies 2   Daughter
Martha J Davies 6mths   Daughter

Mary age in 1891/1901 is born c1860 she would be around 15 in 1875 so maybe not the correct marriage as that marriage states widow age 28

Another possible same page?

Marriages Mar Q 1877   
Davies    David        Pontardawe    11a   630   
Evans    Elizabeth        Pontardawe    11a   630   
Williams    Eliezer        Pontardawe    11a   630    
WILLIAMS    Mary        Pontardawe    11a   630   

Also another possible in Swansea 1879

Not checked all children but MMN is Williams not Owen

DAVIES, BYDDYD    mmn   WILLIAMS 
GRO Reference: 1897  D Quarter in PONTARDAWE  Volume 11A  Page 881


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Squire/Thomas/Davies/Gibbons/Mordecai/Bowen/Lewis/Rees/Williams/Jones/Llewellyn/Morgan - Glamorgan
Lewis - Breckonshire
Davies/Roderick - Myddfai Carms
Lloyd/Jones - Denbigh/Salop
Thackwell/Thomas - Hereford/Monmouthshire
Shoemac/Squire/Keirle/Small - Somerset
Berry/Baggot/Lee/Clayton - Lancs
Yelland/Bray/Trethewey - Cornwall
Baggot/Hurley/Keaveny/Shiel/Flynn - Ireland

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Re: Can someone please Help me find the correct ancestor lines
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 01 August 23 13:28 BST (UK) »
1891 for above family
Clase Higher, Llangyfelach
Piece 4472, Folio   5, Page number   3

Mary Davies 31   Head married
Maggie Davies   11   Daughter
Mary Anne Davies 10   Daughter
David Davies 5   Son
Deborah Davies 2   Daughter
Martha J Davies 6mths   Daughter

Mary age in 1891/1901 is born c1860 she would be around 15 in 1875 so maybe not the correct marriage as that marriage states widow age 28

Another possible same page?

Marriages Mar 1877   
Davies    David        Pontardawe    11a   630   
Evans    Elizabeth        Pontardawe    11a   630   
Williams    Eliezer        Pontardawe    11a   630    
WILLIAMS    Mary        Pontardawe    11a   630   

Also another possible in Swansea 1879

Not checked all children but MMN is Williams not Owen

DAVIES, BYDDYD    mmn   WILLIAMS 
GRO Reference: 1897  D Quarter in PONTARDAWE  Volume 11A  Page 881


Cas
thank you!

From the 1891 and 1901 census including the named children Mary’s DOB is around 1860. From this marriage in 1879 it works out her DOB is around 1855. Did I find the correct marriage cert?
Still looking for the marriage in 1877

Name   Mary Williams
Gender   Female
Marriage Age   24
Record Type   Marriage
Birth Date   1855
Marriage Date   11 Nov 1879
Marriage Place   Aberdare St Fagan, Glamorganshire, Wales
Father   Ebenezer Williams
Spouse   David Davies
Page number   51