Montague William George Smith

[alephant]

Sorry for the delay.
The certificate says,
When and Where born: 1 Oct 1891 Woodspeen East, Speen
Name: Montagu William George
Name of Mother: Helen Smith a general servant(domestic)
Signature and residence: H.Smith mother, Woodspeen East Speen
When registered: 4 November 1891
                           

[alephant]

He was baptised at St Mary’s Speenhamland on the 1 Nov 1891

[alephant]

I have been chatting to mum and she said the man who mentioned her nose was someone they referred to as Uncle Charlie Smith. Also my Aunty remembers going to stay as a child with a couple called Dick and Alice Smith and whilst she was there she was put to sleep in a bed with an old lady. They were some sort of family connection but no one knows what? They lived in Kintbury.

[jonw65]

This may fit with the previous post?
Charles Smith born 1872 Kintbury was at the Prince of Wales Inn, Newbury Street, Kintbury.
Bricklayer in the census.
But could also be the Charles Smith, beer retailer, Kintbury, in the 1915 Kelly's Berkshire Directory.

Marriage, Dec 1902 Hungerford 2c 688
Charles Toulouse Smith + Elizabeth Ann Swaine

Two children with them in 1911 census.
Then son born 1912
SMITH, RICHARD  GEORGE BINGHAM
Mother's Maiden Surname: SWAINE 
GRO Reference: 1912  S Quarter in HUNGERFORD  Volume 02C  Page 518

Richard's marriage?
Sep 1939 Andover 2c 1477
Richard G B Smith + Alice Rawcliffe

1939 Register, Newbury Street, Kintbury
Elizabeth A Smith born 1872 (widowed)
Richard G B Smith, born 1912 (married)
Alys Smith (later Alice Bingham), born 1911 (married)
Florence A Smith, born 1905 (single)

[jonw65]

A baptism at Kintbury in 1873
Charles Toulouse Smith
mother Harriet

Don't have more details.
There is a suggestion that Harriet was a widow. Her maiden name Brazier.
Husband was George? That may get you to an Ellen.

[jonw65]

That may get you to an Ellen.

Second name?
Possible
1891 census has an Ellen Smith, 25, General Servant, born Berks Kintbury
With a couple called Bennett in Kingsbury Street, Marlborough.

[Watson]

The same description, "General Servant Domestic", was used for a certain Helen Smith in the 1891 census at Westbourne Grove, Paddington.  She was born in Berkshire - where? - and her age was given as 30. (National Archives, RG12 / 52, page 2).  I suppose she could, potentially, have been made pregnant by Montague William George COSWAY (mentioned above) in Paddington or Wandsworth, then moved to Woodspeen later in 1891.

[softly softly]

Possible for Ellen's birth, and brother to Charles Toulouse Smith.

SMITH, CHARLES  BROWN     BRAZIER 
GRO Reference: 1872  D Quarter in HUNGERFORD  Volume 02C  Page 254
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SMITH, MARTHA  ELLEN     BRAZIER 
GRO Reference: 1865  D Quarter in HUNGERFORD  Volume 02C  Page 214
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Martha ELLIN Smith bap 4.2.1866 Kintbury, Parents George & Harriet.

Ellen in 1881?

Piece   1275
Folio   137
Page number   17

Possible parents marriage Dec 1864   

Brazier    Harriet        Hungerford    2c   500    
Smith    George        Hungerford    2c   500   

John

added 17.30 pm, believe Martha Ellen now to be a red herring

[softly softly]

Another possible.

SMITH, ELLEN       mmn NOCK 
GRO Reference: 1864  J Quarter in HUNGERFORD  Volume 02C  Page 221
1871 census.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VFXV-R54

Her parents were Henry Smith & Sarah Matilda Nock. Married dq 1861 Kensington

Her brother Edwin was a twin

SMITH, EDWIN       mmn NOCK 
GRO Reference: 1864  J Quarter in HUNGERFORD  Volume 02C  Page 221

Her half sister Kate born before marriage.

NOCK, KATE       - 
GRO Reference: 1858  M Quarter in HUNGERFORD  Volume 02C  Page 241

With regard to Sarah Matilda Nock she was born c1833 • Little Bedwyn, Wiltshire, England
By 1879 her 1st husband Henry had died and her 2nd marriage was to Henry Frampton in 1879, Islington.

Sarah Matilda Frampton died aged 76 and was buried Marlborough, St Mary the Virgin in 1910

Possibly Ellen in 1881/1891 census
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q27H-QGMT

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:719Y-KN2

John