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Pallan family Vienna
« on: Friday 04 August 23 14:35 BST (UK) »
Hi,
 My search for the Pallans has lead me to Vienna. This is the marriage of Johann Pallan who later moved to Tyssa/Tisa in Bohemia to work as a forester. I am really struggling with the writing though.

Marriage Date    04 Jul 1774 (4 Jul 1774)
Marriage Place    Wienschottenpfarre, Vienna, Vienna, Austria
Diocese    Vienna Weinviertel
Father    
Franz Joseph Pallan
Mother    
Mra Anna Pallan
Spouse    
Elisabeth Schadin


I think I can see something about him coming from Bohemia, living in somewhere then Schoenborn House no 375, son of Franz Joseph Pallan forest ranger?  and Maria? Anna  . The bride Elizabeth Schad (in) from Emmersdorf (an der Donau) then something about a house in the L..gass.  Her father Christoph Schaden?  cant read if that's his profession wife Althbartha?



https://www.ancestry.co.uk/discoveryui-content/view/7683575:61634?tid=161386600&pid=342109726436&queryId=06cf1d8f34ae035c7667a2bb1c0cc825&_phsrc=ZMZ375&_phstart=successSource



Perhaps someone could help fill in the blanks.
Thanks




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Re: Pallan family Vienna
« Reply #1 on: Friday 04 August 23 16:12 BST (UK) »

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Re: Pallan family Vienna
« Reply #2 on: Friday 04 August 23 16:23 BST (UK) »
Does it say Christoph is an Essighandler. Dealer in vinegar?
Bulman, DUR
Butterfield DUR & N. YKS,
Earnshaw DUR
Hopps DUR & N. YKS
Howe, Richardson,Thompson all DUR

William Thompson violin maker Bishop Auckland
William Thompson jun. Violin maker Leeds

Richardson in Bermondsey/East Ham, descendants of William Richardson b. 1820 Bishop Auckland

Berger, Fritsch, Ritschel, Pechanz, Funke, Endesfelder & others from Czechia

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Re: Pallan family Vienna
« Reply #3 on: Friday 04 August 23 19:24 BST (UK) »
Does it say Christoph is an Essighandler. Dealer in vinegar?

Yes it does.
Still struggling to read the rest...


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Re: Pallan family Vienna
« Reply #4 on: Friday 04 August 23 21:19 BST (UK) »
Der Johann Pallan, L(edige) St(and), Herrschaftlich Puxenspanner, ge-
bührtig von Tetschen aus Böhmen, wohnhaft in der
Renngassen in Schönborrnschen Haus N. 375, des
Franz Joseph Pallan, Forstmeisters und Maria Anna
ehelichen Sohn; nehmt zur Ehe die Jungfrau Elisabeth Scha
Schadin, gebührtig zu Emmerstorff in N(ieder) Ö(sterreich), wohn-
haft in rothen Haus in der Alstergasse, des Christoph
Schaden, Essighandlers, und Catharina, beider seelig,
ehelichen Tochters.

Puxenspanner (= Büchsenspanner): Assistant in the hunt who makes the rifle ready
(it took me ages to decipher this one!)

Renngasse N.375 in Wien: residence of the Earl of Schönborn
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Re: Pallan family Vienna
« Reply #5 on: Friday 04 August 23 21:35 BST (UK) »
Wow, Zephiro, you have surpassed yourself.

Lots of information here, and things to investigate -I wonder if the Red House is still there. Hobnobbing with the gentry too:)

This family is turning out to be full of surprises.

I am very grateful for all your help.
Bulman, DUR
Butterfield DUR & N. YKS,
Earnshaw DUR
Hopps DUR & N. YKS
Howe, Richardson,Thompson all DUR

William Thompson violin maker Bishop Auckland
William Thompson jun. Violin maker Leeds

Richardson in Bermondsey/East Ham, descendants of William Richardson b. 1820 Bishop Auckland

Berger, Fritsch, Ritschel, Pechanz, Funke, Endesfelder & others from Czechia

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Re: Pallan family Vienna
« Reply #6 on: Friday 04 August 23 21:40 BST (UK) »
The second witness, a Schneidermeister, was living in the same Red House ;)

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Re: Pallan family Vienna
« Reply #7 on: Friday 04 August 23 21:48 BST (UK) »
20 years later, in 1792 Beethoven was at no 45 Alstergasse!
Bulman, DUR
Butterfield DUR & N. YKS,
Earnshaw DUR
Hopps DUR & N. YKS
Howe, Richardson,Thompson all DUR

William Thompson violin maker Bishop Auckland
William Thompson jun. Violin maker Leeds

Richardson in Bermondsey/East Ham, descendants of William Richardson b. 1820 Bishop Auckland

Berger, Fritsch, Ritschel, Pechanz, Funke, Endesfelder & others from Czechia

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Re: Pallan family Vienna
« Reply #8 on: Friday 04 August 23 23:31 BST (UK) »
The Red House was demolished more than 130 years ago...  :'(

I found a couple of interesting websites. This one contains info about the names (Alser Straße/Alstergasse):

https://www.geschichtewiki.wien.gv.at/Alser_Stra%C3%9Fe

This one specifically mentions das Rote Haus:

https://austria-forum.org/af/AustriaWiki/Alser_Kaserne

Looks as though it was a gorgeous part of the city back then!
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