Baptised in mum's maiden name but after Mum's marraige?

[heywood]

The minister would have to know the details though. Did you have to prove you were married or just present yourselves as thus?
I can see though, if it was a small community, the circumstances may be well known.

[coombs]

The minister would have to know the details though. Did you have to prove you were married or just present yourselves as thus?
I can see though, if it was a small community, the circumstances may be well known.

No i don't think you had to show proof of marriage to baptise a child, even today. I guess the vicar knew as it was a small community. Hence why some moved away or baptised their first born or any illegitimate children in a church some distance away, away from prying eyes.

[MJW]

I had a similar situation with my great grandmother Mary Kilshaw, who was baptised as Mary Dean, illegitimate daughter of Jane Dean, in 1842, even though her mother Jane Dean had married James Kilshaw in 1839.  Her birth certificate shows her as Mary Kilshaw, daughter of James Kilshaw and Jane Dean. This baffled me for a long time, even more when I found that exactly the same things happened with the birth and baptism of Mary's two siblings born in 1845 and 1848.

I eventually found the reason.  James Kilshaw was a bigamist and his "marriage" to Jane Dean was the bigamous one and, therefore, not legal.  He was imprisoned for 2 years at Lancaster Castle. I suspect the church minister was aware of the situation and baptised them accordingly as illegitimate children of Jane Dean. But for civil registration, it was acceptable to record them as Kilshaws, with both parents named.
 

[LizzieL]

Did you have to prove you were married or just present yourselves as thus?

I came across a woman who brought two children for baptism (1854), one was about 3 years old and the other a baby of a few month. The older child was baptised as Horace Livermore, s/o of the late Charles Livermore and Augusta Livermore. The baby was baptised as Henry Beckett, son of Thomas and Augusta Beckett. So on paper it looks as if Augusta had married Charles Livermore and had  a child 3 or 4 years earlier. Then Charles died and Augusta married Mr B and they had a child together.
In reality Charles was married to someone else, whom he left in order to live with Augusta as a married couple. They had earlier children together. Then Charles left her and she had a relationship with the already married Mr B. Mr B's wife died, but he did not marry Augusta, so by the time of this double baptism he was married to wife #2.
Charles's wife died and he married again - but not to Augusta.
I didn't look as if anyone asked her for any proof of these fictitious relationships

[coombs]

Same as how you did not have to show proof of baptism to marry.

[LizzieL]

Same as how you did not have to show proof of baptism to marry.

Don't you have to provide some evidence of identity to marry these days? I know baptism wouldn't mean anything, and apparently neither is a birth certificate evidence of identity.