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Charles Benjamin FEAR (abt. 1834-1889)
« on: Sunday 13 August 23 08:47 BST (UK) »
Hello everyone,

I have been trying to trace any record of my 4x ggf, Charles Benjamin Fear (I assume he went by his middle name as he is most often recorded as that in various documents) before his marriage to Sarah Bailey in Manchester in 1853. I have found him and his family in the 1861, 1871 and 1881 censuses (living in Manchester) but they all contradict each other as for his birthplace. 1861 says "Somersetshire Bristol", 1871 is faded and rather illegible, A* says it's Dorset, but it can't be as the word is way too long (I might ask in the Handwriting recognition group to see if anyone can help), and 1881 says "Summerseat, Lancs"! His marriage records say he was a finisher (later became a greengrocer/some variation of that) and that his father was a joiner called Thomas Fear. I have started to suspect that Benjamin may not have been fully truthful, and that Thomas the Joiner could very well be fiction as I have searched for baptism records/ censuses for these places, and then for the whole of the UK and have hit a brick wall...
There is a prison record from 1849 saying a Charles Benjamin Fear aged 15 (so the dates stack up) from Bristol was imprisoned in Gloucestershire for a month and whipped for having stolen pigeons, which could be him, but how did he go from stealing someone's tame pigeons in Bristol to starting a respectable family business in Manchester?

Any help would be greatly appreciated, and thank you for your time :)

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Davenport, Fear, Heywood, Lees, Bramwood, Fullalove (Lancashire) ; Dawson, Carr, Park, Mattinson, Peel, Threlkeld (Cumberland) ; Hammond, Peacock, Pedley, Alderson (Yorkshire) ; Notman, Irving, Bell (Dumfriesshire, Scotland) ; Curley/Corless, Roche (Ireland, Galway?)

Please contact me if you know anything about the Fear family of Manchester and Oldham's fish and poultry business  :)

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Re: Charles Benjamin FEAR (abt. 1834-1889)
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 13 August 23 11:28 BST (UK) »
1861 - Bradford St. Manchester - freecen

FEAR   Benjamin   Head   27   Green Grocer   Somerset   Bristol      
FEAR   Sarah   Wife   25      Lancashire   Manchester      
FEAR   Liley   Dau   2      Lancashire   Manchester      
FEAR   William   Son   1m      Lancashire   Manchester      


Parents Thomas a Labourer & Elizabeth - freereg
Charles Benjamin FEAR   Baptism   17 Feb 1833   Somerset   Compton Dando : St Mary : Parish Register

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Re: Charles Benjamin FEAR (abt. 1834-1889)
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 13 August 23 11:34 BST (UK) »
Fantastic thanks Colin
Davenport, Fear, Heywood, Lees, Bramwood, Fullalove (Lancashire) ; Dawson, Carr, Park, Mattinson, Peel, Threlkeld (Cumberland) ; Hammond, Peacock, Pedley, Alderson (Yorkshire) ; Notman, Irving, Bell (Dumfriesshire, Scotland) ; Curley/Corless, Roche (Ireland, Galway?)

Please contact me if you know anything about the Fear family of Manchester and Oldham's fish and poultry business  :)

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Re: Charles Benjamin FEAR (abt. 1834-1889)
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 13 August 23 11:45 BST (UK) »
Elizabeth CLEMENTS to Thomas FEAR   Marriage   31 Mar 1828   Somerset   Walcot : St Swithin : Other Transcript.

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Clarke, Trickett, Orton, Lawless, Norton, Detheridge, Kirby, Goodfellow, Wagstaff, Lowe, etc.


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Re: Charles Benjamin FEAR (abt. 1834-1889)
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 13 August 23 11:50 BST (UK) »

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Re: Charles Benjamin FEAR (abt. 1834-1889)
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 13 August 23 12:02 BST (UK) »
It looks likely that there were two further baptisms prior to Statutory Registration, for Thomas the labourer and Elizabeth.

Jehie?? Clement FEAR   Baptism   08 Mar 1835   Somerset   Compton Dando : St Mary : Parish Register
Thomas Cornelius FEAR   Baptism   09 Feb 1837   Somerset   Compton Dando : St Mary : Parish Register

However there is also a Thomas fear Pork Butcher, wife Elizabeth in the area.

Georgiana Cecilia FEAR   Baptism   01 Mar 1829   Somerset   Compton Dando : St Mary : Parish Register
Edward Adolphus FEAR   Baptism   30 Dec 1830   Somerset   Compton Dando : St Mary : Parish Register
Farnham FEAR   Baptism   27 Nov 1831   Somerset   Compton Dando : St Mary : Parish Register

So Labourer 1828 marriage, Pork butcher 1829 – 1831, Labourer 1833 – 1835.

All things are possible I guess?

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Clarke, Trickett, Orton, Lawless, Norton, Detheridge, Kirby, Goodfellow, Wagstaff, Lowe, etc.

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Re: Charles Benjamin FEAR (abt. 1834-1889)
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 13 August 23 12:20 BST (UK) »
Is this the family in 1841?
www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M7M8-2YB

It could very well be! I don't have a FindMyPast subscription so I can only see the transcription, and it seems that Benjamin and family were born in Gloucestershire, so couldn't be the same people as Colin found for the baptism/marriage in Somerset (well, they could be, but the places of birth would be wrong)...

It looks likely that there were two further baptisms prior to Statutory Registration, for Thomas the labourer and Elizabeth.

Jehie?? Clement FEAR   Baptism   08 Mar 1835   Somerset   Compton Dando : St Mary : Parish Register
Thomas Cornelius FEAR   Baptism   09 Feb 1837   Somerset   Compton Dando : St Mary : Parish Register

However there is also a Thomas fear Pork Butcher, wife Elizabeth in the area.

Georgiana Cecilia FEAR   Baptism   01 Mar 1829   Somerset   Compton Dando : St Mary : Parish Register
Edward Adolphus FEAR   Baptism   30 Dec 1830   Somerset   Compton Dando : St Mary : Parish Register
Farnham FEAR   Baptism   27 Nov 1831   Somerset   Compton Dando : St Mary : Parish Register

So Labourer 1828 marriage, Pork butcher 1829 – 1831, Labourer 1833 – 1835.

All things are possible I guess?

Colin


Just seen your reply, the names of Jehie and variants and Thomas are also in the census Comberton sent so probably would be the same family...
I'll have a look at what I can find about them and thanks again for breaking almost a year of brick wall.
Davenport, Fear, Heywood, Lees, Bramwood, Fullalove (Lancashire) ; Dawson, Carr, Park, Mattinson, Peel, Threlkeld (Cumberland) ; Hammond, Peacock, Pedley, Alderson (Yorkshire) ; Notman, Irving, Bell (Dumfriesshire, Scotland) ; Curley/Corless, Roche (Ireland, Galway?)

Please contact me if you know anything about the Fear family of Manchester and Oldham's fish and poultry business  :)

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Re: Charles Benjamin FEAR (abt. 1834-1889)
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 13 August 23 12:25 BST (UK) »
I wouldn't discount that 1841 Census as 1851 in Manchester we have;

Elizabeth Fear 42 Head Widow Dressmaker
Edwood Fear 40   Son (something wrong there)
John Clements Fear 16 Son
Esther Elizabeth Fear 13 Daughter
Thomas Cornelius Fear 10   Son
All born Somersetshire**
+ 2 lodgers


FEAR, THOMAS  CORNELIUS mmn CLEMENTS 
GRO Reference: 1840  J Quarter in CLUTTON  Volume 11  Page 88
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Cummins, Miskelly(IRELAND + NZ) ,Leggett (SFK + NFK ENGLAND + NZ),Purdy ( NBL ENGLAND + NZ ), Shaw YKS, LANCs + NZ), Holdsworth(LINCS +LANCS + NZ), Moloney, Dean, Fitzpatrick, ( County Down,IRE) Newby(NBL.ENG, Costello(IRE), Ivers, Murray(IRE),Reay(NBL.ENG) Reid (BERW.SCOTLAND)

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Re: Charles Benjamin FEAR (abt. 1834-1889)
« Reply #8 on: Sunday 13 August 23 12:38 BST (UK) »
Bapts Publow;
Hester Elizabeth* FEAR 13 May 1838
Thomas Cornelius FEAR 07 Jun 1840
Parents THOMAS/ELIZABETH, Father a Labourer

Burial;
Thomas Cornelius FEAR 15 Feb 1837 Compton Dando age 11 days abode Woollard   
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Cummins, Miskelly(IRELAND + NZ) ,Leggett (SFK + NFK ENGLAND + NZ),Purdy ( NBL ENGLAND + NZ ), Shaw YKS, LANCs + NZ), Holdsworth(LINCS +LANCS + NZ), Moloney, Dean, Fitzpatrick, ( County Down,IRE) Newby(NBL.ENG, Costello(IRE), Ivers, Murray(IRE),Reay(NBL.ENG) Reid (BERW.SCOTLAND)