Alice Lottie Harris born 1879 and Frederick Harris born 1879 in Wandsworth

[Sally4x]

 I had looked for the first two births but got so hung up on Harris and Coleman. So her first marriage was 1913 and Coleman was a made up name. And saying that Harris was also a made up name! Because I do think the two Francis’s are the same person!

[Sally4x]

The twins father is named Herbert Harris on their birth certificates not Francis Harris so that confused me even more when two years later she was with Francis Harris on the census!

[Sally4x]

So I bought the digital downloads of the first two sons births and she states their father is Herbert Francis Beazor and her maiden name is Coleman!

[Dundee]

I do think the two Francis’s are the same person!

The names are Frederick, not Francis.

Alice was already pregnant with Ronald when the 1901 census was taken.  Frederick MANDRY was 17 years old at that time and living with his parents so is unlikely to be the father.  With the large gap between the first two boys and the next two, the father is probably not Frederick HARRIS either.

The father may be Herbert Francis COLEMAN?

You haven't given any fathers' occupations from the certificates that you have.

Debra 

[Sally4x]

Yes Frederick, Francis was a typo.

The first two sons their father was a butler. She was in service so I assume she met him through work. Yes she would have been heavily pregnant on the 1901 census. I haven’t seen the twins birth certificates. I was told by someone who has them that the father was Herbert Harris, I will ask her what his occupation was. Yes I too wondered if the father was Herbert Francis Coleman, but couldn’t find one in my searches.

[Cas (stallc)]

I would agree with Dundee, I also think the Herbert Francis and Frederick George are two different people.

Frederick G remarries in 1933 the cert is online, one marriage witness is Reginald Harris. 

The signatures from 1911 census and 1933 cert do not look similar to me - Unless it was Alice who completed, which would make more sense for the 1911 details given. Occupation for head is ships baker which would likely have taken him on voyages away. (possibly a fabrication he was head as not yet married)

I think that Frederick Harris and Frederick G Mandry are possibly the same person and father of the twins?  DNA testing may help.

Just my thoughts

Cas

[ciderdrinker]

Good Morning
Ronald Harris marries in 27 Nov 1927 st StMary Bryonstone.
Ronald Harris 27 corrected to 26 in 1931 chauffeur 17 Portman Mews father Herbert Harris valet
Edith Louise Gower 27 dentists assistant same address John Gower potman
wit Reginald Harris and Joseph Gower.

So their father definitely Herbert in service.
If we go with Colman
1901 14 Chesham Place  London
Herbert Colman 19 footman Briningham Norfolk
That is 7 minutes walk from Alice in Church street Chelsea

He goes on to marry Florence Edith Young in 1904 and takes up a job with the Midlands Railway at St Pancras.
1911 4 Gordon Rd porter Midland railway ,wife Florence born 1882 Camden Town ,Sydney 5
But back in 1891 he was at Lobses Valley 2 Dereham Road Briningham Walsingham
Henry G Colman 42 ag lab Briningham
Lydia 42
Henry 18 ag lab
Tom 14 ag lab
Alice M 12
Herbert 8.

It's only just down the road from Alice.Did they already know each other and go to London ?

But that doesn't tell us if Herbert Colman bapt 25 Feb 1883 Briningham was also Fred Harris baker born 1879 Westminster

Ciderdrinker

[Sally4x]

Thanks! That's really interesting.