Pleasant Row, Old Kent Rd, Surrey

[dtcoulson]

Hello experts,

I'm looking for some advice on the address shown in the title, listed by an ancestor in 1871 who says he was born there in 1848.

I can't find any other references to Pleasant Row.
Anyone know where it is or was?

To be clear, I don't need info on the ancestor, which is why I haven't named him.
I just want to know if that street he named actually existed, and if so where it is.

Thx
-DC

[Kay99]

This may help - You can zoom in on the map https://layersoflondon.humap.site/map/records/the-prince-of-wales-10-pleasant-row-old-kent-road-se1   

The photo related to the former Princes of Wales Pub 10 Pleasant Row Old Kent Road and very little of the pub remains

Kay

Added - More photos for the former pub https://www.londonpubexplorer.com/pub-musings/the-prince-of-wales

[mckha489]

If you look for Jacob Tolley age 55 born London in the 1851 census
He is living at no 1 Pleasant row, St Mary Newington, St Peter’s Walworth, Lambeth


Piece number 1567
Folio 587
Page 10
Schedule 49

[ShaunJ]

Pleasant Row was on the west side of Old Kent Road between Ossory Road and the Surrey Canal, and on that stretch it was between Sussex Place and Prospect Place, near the Lord Wellington pub.  This directory extract is from 1856:

[ShaunJ]

Side by Side map of the area - the "P.H." will be the Lord Wellington:

https://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/side-by-side/#zoom=18.0&lat=51.48469&lon=-0.06847&layers=168&right=BingRoad

[dtcoulson]

First, thanks for the map references.


Mckha,
for some reason Ancestry can't find Jacob Tolley in any census year,
although I can see him listed in Findmypast and FamilySearch.
That's baffling. Any idea why this should be the case?
Trouble is, I don't have subscriptions for FindMyPast or FS so I can't see the actual census forms.


It would suit my task *perfectly to start at Jacob's house and browse through the pages and see who his neighbours were, and what sort of institutions existed on this street.


---> Is there any other way I can get directly to the census forms for Pleasant Row and explore the families in the street?


-DC

[ShaunJ]

I think Jacob Tolley may have lived in a different Pleasant Row (there were several). We need the one in Camberwell. I'm having trouble finding it in the 1851 census.

These are the residents per the 1851 PO Directory:

[dtcoulson]

Wow, so only 9 households in 1851?

FindMyPast 1851 shows Jacob Tolley (born 1836) in Newington, Surrey.
Ditto for Family Search.
But for some reason Ancestry can't find him.
I thought census records were identical across all websites.
-DC

[dtcoulson]

I found Samuel Piggott in the 1851 census, listed at 10 Wellington Place.
His career is the same as on your PO directory, and Ossory St is nearby.
Looks to me that Pleasant Row was an alternate name for Wellington Place.

Interesting that his was the only name that appeared in the 1851 as well as either of your PO lists.
It suggests a high turnover of residents in this little street, but several of those seen in 1851 are still there in 1856, so it's odd they are not there in the 1851 census.

-DC