Author Topic: George Baker (c.1846-1944) m. Mary Iles (1858-1893) from Ararat, Victoria  (Read 1460 times)

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Re: George Baker (c.1846-1944) m. Mary Iles (1858-1893) from Ararat, Victoria
« Reply #9 on: Wednesday 16 August 23 08:00 BST (UK) »
giblet has given you a link to Trove digitised newspapers.  If you search 'baker' plus 'elmhurst' you will find a number of references to George BAKER and to other members of the family, and I am making the assumption that it could be your chap.

https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/224489448
This one from The Weekly Times Sat 3 Mar 1928 (The Weekly Times was a paper focussing on farming and the land) is about apple growing and includes a photo of worker on Mr Baker's orchard - perhaps the person pictured is actually George.

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Re: George Baker (c.1846-1944) m. Mary Iles (1858-1893) from Ararat, Victoria
« Reply #10 on: Wednesday 16 August 23 13:36 BST (UK) »
Thanks everyone.

I saw a record on either Ancestry or Family Search giving the death of George, age 6/12, father Job in 1847. So it looks like this is the second son named George who died in infancy.

I'm intrigued that the death index entry for George in 1944 states he was born in Adelaide. That makes the connection to Job a lot more probable in my mind.

I'll have to decide whether it's worth paying for the marriage record. Genealogy is an expensive business, $20 here and there really starts to add up!

Thanks again for everyone's input on this.

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Re: George Baker (c.1846-1944) m. Mary Iles (1858-1893) from Ararat, Victoria
« Reply #11 on: Wednesday 16 August 23 13:48 BST (UK) »
giblet has given you a link to Trove digitised newspapers.  If you search 'baker' plus 'elmhurst' you will find a number of references to George BAKER and to other members of the family, and I am making the assumption that it could be your chap.

https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/224489448
This one from The Weekly Times Sat 3 Mar 1928 (The Weekly Times was a paper focussing on farming and the land) is about apple growing and includes a photo of worker on Mr Baker's orchard - perhaps the person pictured is actually George.

Judith

Thanks, that's a great find. From the date of the article I'd say this is George's son, George jnr. b.1875. Sounds very likely to be the right family though. Thanks!

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Re: George Baker (c.1846-1944) m. Mary Iles (1858-1893) from Ararat, Victoria
« Reply #12 on: Wednesday 23 August 23 23:35 BST (UK) »
There is a George Baker born 27 Aug 1859 near Mitcham, SA to Job Baker and Eliza Holliday.
Book 15 Page 177

Source: Digger SA Births 1842-1906

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Watts Westcott Irwin Gammon - Devon
Marchment Gale - Wiltshire
MacLeod MacSwain- Raasay, Scotland
Gazzard Partridge - Essex
Grimmett Harris - Oxfordshire
Brien - London
Poyser - Staffordshire
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Re: George Baker (c.1846-1944) m. Mary Iles (1858-1893) from Ararat, Victoria
« Reply #13 on: Wednesday 23 August 23 23:40 BST (UK) »
Thanks. I think that George would have been too young to marry in 1874, but appreciate yr response

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Re: George Baker (c.1846-1944) m. Mary Iles (1858-1893) from Ararat, Victoria
« Reply #14 on: Wednesday 23 August 23 23:59 BST (UK) »
Just looked at the death index and that George died in 1860.

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Watts Westcott Irwin Gammon - Devon
Marchment Gale - Wiltshire
MacLeod MacSwain- Raasay, Scotland
Gazzard Partridge - Essex
Grimmett Harris - Oxfordshire
Brien - London
Poyser - Staffordshire
Johns Morris - Glamorgan, Wales

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Re: George Baker (c.1846-1944) m. Mary Iles (1858-1893) from Ararat, Victoria
« Reply #15 on: Thursday 24 August 23 03:54 BST (UK) »
You won't get much information off George's death certificate #17661/1944 as he most likely passed away an inmate of Aradale Mental Asylum, where very elderly folks with 'senile decay' were sent for care. 

https://www.aradale.com.au/

I checked on prov.vic.gov.au and there's no inquest record for George

https://prov.vic.gov.au/

Your best source of information regarding George's parents will be the marriage certificate which isn't all that helpful.   

13 April 1874  at "The Manse" Avoca, in the rites of the Presbyterian Church

George Baker, 26, of Amphitheatre , labourer
Father: John BAKER; mother unknown.
Born: Adelaide, South Australia

to

Mary Iles, 16, of Amphiteatre
Father John ILES; mother Ellen WHITE (who was one of the witnesses)



MARRIAGE CERTIFICATE IS ATTACHED


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Re: George Baker (c.1846-1944) m. Mary Iles (1858-1893) from Ararat, Victoria
« Reply #16 on: Thursday 24 August 23 06:56 BST (UK) »
This is not of direct help, but might be of interest.

When Eliza BAKER nee Halliday died in 1897 there was a lengthy newspaper obituary. Have you already seen it?

https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/54510483?searchTerm=%22mrs%20eliza%20baker%22

Stated within it,

There were 15 children.  Surviving are four sons.
The item does not name them, but a hunt about reveals...

Frederick Edwin  died in 1905, so that's  one.
Anthony Haliday died in 1903, so that's two.


Finding the deaths of any others of Job and Eliza's sons after 1897 may open or close a space  for George to fit as a surviving son. You would need to search newspapers and BMD indexes

However, the marriage certificate is the best bet. ;D

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Couple's ages
Couple's birthplaces
Previous status
Couple's occupations
Couple's residences
Fathers' names
Fathers' occupations
Groom's mothers name
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Re: George Baker (c.1846-1944) m. Mary Iles (1858-1893) from Ararat, Victoria
« Reply #17 on: Thursday 24 August 23 07:08 BST (UK) »
this tree states George Baker b 1845 - died
George Baker b 1847 - died 1944
not all trees are correct was George 97 when he died ??

Job Baker
Born about 1820 - Upleadon, Gloucestershire, England
Deceased January 17, 1888 - Lower Mitcham, South Australia, Australia, aged about 68 years old
 
Spouses and children
With Eliza Halliday 1818-1897 with
M George Baker 1845-
M George Baker 1847-1944
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https://gw.geneanet.org/mariehodgkinson?lang=en&pz=marie+jean&nz=pitkin&p=job&n=baker
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https://gw.geneanet.org/mariehodgkinson?lang=en&pz=marie+jean&nz=pitkin&p=george&n=baker
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