Benjamin Harvey (1825-1899) & 2nd Wife Eliza Partridge (1836-1909) West Bromwich

[samanthator]

Hallo everyone - First of all thank you for bothering to read this post.

I am researching my 2nd Great Grandfather, Benjamin Harvey and his descendants.

In particular most of his children from his 2nd marriage to Eliza Partridge.

I think I have completed my research into my Great Grandfather John Thomas Harvey (1862-1931) - as per my Public Tree on ancestry.com - Pezzey Tree

However although I have all the following names of his siblings with their approximate birth dates and Census information from the years - 1861, 1871, 1881 & 1891 - I have been unable to find out what happened to the following children since 1891 - despite visiting the Sandwell Archives personally several times including a couple of weeks ago sadly.  All were born in West Bromwich.

Elizabeth - Q3 1858
David - Q2 1860
Benjamin - Q1 1865
Emily - Q4 1866
Sarah - Q4 1869
Eliza - Q1 1872

I intend to order Digital Images of all of these births from the GRO very soon.

I have most if not all the information about their parents until their deaths included in my profiles of both of them on my Tree.

I am intrigued that my great grandfather seems to be the only child that had a middle name - quite odd and that is one of the reasons I was looking for the other children's baptisms recently. 

In addition, I am a member of Findmypast so have carried out research on that website as well as of course using other very useful websites such as Family Search, FreeBMD & freereg.org.uk and others.

The other problem that has occurred unfortunately is that if they were located in nearby villages and towns such as Oldbury, Halesowen, Rowley Regis etc. that relevant sources could be found under Salop (Shropshire) and Worcestershire especially as the diocese for this area during several years was Worcester Diocese.

Any help in furthering my research into these Great GreatAunts and GreatUncles will be very gratefully received.

Thank you once more for reading this Lookup Request - Samanthator

[rosie17]

Did you check this one out for David Harvey ?

Burial.2 May 1861
West Bromwich Christ Church Staffordshire
Age I
Religion Anglican

A baptism.West Bromwich Christ Church Staffordshire
David Harvey baptism 15 April 1860
Father Benjamin Harvey
Mother Eliza Harvey
Religion Anglican

David Harvey is not on the other census records

Rosie

[Dundee]

Not answering your question, but you have the wrong death for Eliza. The person that died in 1909 was an infant under 12 months. 

This is your Eliza, her address in burial records is the same as Benjamin.

HARVEY, ELIZA
Aged 65 
GRO Reference: 1895  J Quarter in WEST BROMWICH  Volume 06B  Page 502

https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/indexes_search.asp

She is consistent with her year of birth as being 1830/1831 so is likely to be the illegitimate daughter of Eliza PARTRIDGE, baptised in 1830 at West Bromwich.  When she married she said her father was Daniel, a gun lock filer.

Debra 

[amondg]

Birth dates are slightly off

Benjamin born 15 March 1866  (s/b1865) bap. 6 March 1873 Christ Church
Emma born 12 March 1868      (s/b 1866 Emily) bap 6 March 1873 Christ Church
Sarah born 8 November 1870       (s/b1869)      bap. 6 March 1873 Christ Church

Parents Benjamin Harvey -  Boiler Plate Shearer  address Moor Street
Eliza Harvey

Eliza  born 10 March 1872  (s/b 1873)  bap 21 November 1879 St. John - address Moor Street
parents Benjamin and Eliza Harvey

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Elizabeth bap 12 September 1858 Christ Church of Moor Street father Benjamin - Shearer, mother Eliza.

John Thomas bap 8 February 1863  Christ Church parents Benjamin and Eliza Harvey  of Moor Street, father  boiler maker

ADDED  Rosie17 has son David

[samanthator]

Hallo again

Rosie 17 -
Thank you for your post - I have now updated my records following the information you so kindly found for me.  I can see why I missed this on FindMyPast as I was concerned that there might be more David Harveys and i had noted one of the items in his profile on my Family Tree wrongly.  Thanks again as with your help I have now recorded all the sources about his sad short life correctly.

Dundee - Debra
Thank you for trying to help me but I am slightly puzzled by your reply as I had Eliza's birth happening in 1873 so I am now looking at all my sources and relevant websites as to what the situation is.

amondg -
Thank you also for the information you have found for me - I am still in the process of following it all up so cannot reply completely but wanted you to know how grateful I am for your help.


Cheers - Samanthator (Viv)

[amondg]

Dundee is referring to the mother Eliza not the daughter

[Dundee]

Dundee is referring to the mother Eliza not the daughter

Yes, this one  Eliza Partridge (1836-1909)

Her age on census records consistently gives a year of birth c1830/1831, and she died in 1895 not 1909.

Daughter Eliza might have married Frederick BROCKHOUSE at West Bromwich in 1896.  Her age and place of birth is a good match in 1901.  You would need to see the marriage cert for her father's details and witnesses.

It looks like they only had one daughter who never married.

BROCKHOUSE, MURIEL  CLARICE
Mother's maiden surname: HARVEY     
GRO Reference: 1898  D Quarter in WEST BROMWICH  Volume 06B  Page 887

In 1939 Eliza and Muriel are in Derbyshire but the date of birth that Eliza has given doesn't match the date on your Eliza's baptism record.  We already know though that the date on the baptism doesn't match the birth registration.

I intend to order Digital Images of all of these births from the GRO very soon.

This is unlikely to add any value to your research and you would be better off spending the money on possible marriage certs if you really want to find out what happened to all of John Thomas' siblings.

Debra 

[Capetown]

West Midlands BMD   (on the net)

Marriage

BROCKHOUSE Frederick
Eliza HARVEY
1896
West Bromwich Register Office
Registers At: Sandwell Register Office

You can order a certificate on the website.

Reference: WBRO/28/145

[samanthator]

Just a quick thank you to all of you who have posted - am slowly going through all the information you have given me so not a complete reply but am grateful for the help all have offered me.