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Help to identify the regiment
« on: Wednesday 23 August 23 14:14 BST (UK) »
Hi, I think this is a Boer war regiment but that's a guess - any ideas please?
 Apologies for the quality - it's how it came to me.  Thank you.
Davison - London
South - London, Hampshire
Sharp(e) - Hertfordshire, Suffolk
Lee - Ireland
Summerfield - London, Buckinghamshire
Bickers - London, Norfolk, Suffolk
Guiver - London, Hertfordshire, Essex, Cambridgeshire
Murray - London
Hill - London, Devon

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Re: Help to identify the regiment
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 23 August 23 16:04 BST (UK) »
That came out very distorted when I downloaded it and opened it in Word. I've tried to stretch it back and level it out: 
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« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 23 August 23 16:05 BST (UK) »
I think probably 1920s, in India
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Re: Help to identify the regiment
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 23 August 23 16:26 BST (UK) »
It's the members of the Sergeants Mess. In the centre of the front row is the commanding officer, with the RSM to the right of him as we look at the photo. The man of the left of the CO appears to be a officer as he's wearing a Sam Browne and only the RSM and Officers would be wearing them. Possibly he's the unit second-in-command there in the role of supervising officer for the Sgts Mess. The sashes on the rest of the SNCOs would suggest an infantry battalion. Looks like the CO may have the MBE or CBE.
I agree with Shaun on the date, probably India but could be anywhere in the Far East,


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Re: Help to identify the regiment
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 23 August 23 19:17 BST (UK) »
Thank you all. I had trouble uploading it so appreciate someone managed to open it, distorted or not. Still gives a good indication…

I hadn’t thought of India - this was in a family collection but no one knows who or why.  A mystery. 

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Davison - London
South - London, Hampshire
Sharp(e) - Hertfordshire, Suffolk
Lee - Ireland
Summerfield - London, Buckinghamshire
Bickers - London, Norfolk, Suffolk
Guiver - London, Hertfordshire, Essex, Cambridgeshire
Murray - London
Hill - London, Devon

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Re: Help to identify the regiment
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 23 August 23 19:53 BST (UK) »
I'm interested by the two men at either end of the first standing row. The one on the left as we look at the photo is wearing a different belt buckle to everyone else, and the guy on the right hand end is not wearing a sash nor does he have any medals, so either he didn't serve overseas in the First World War, or he joined after the war had ended. I think both these men are attached to the Regiment from their parent Corps.  Exactly which Corps is difficult to guess. There would probably have been a cook sergeant from the Royal Army Service Corps, and the other might be the armourer sergeant from the Royal Army Ordnance Corps.

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Re: Help to identify the regiment
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 23 August 23 20:17 BST (UK) »
The other thing which interests  and confuses me is the pith helmets the front row are displaying. I would have said these were khaki in colour, and if this is so, the pre-war Army Dress Regulations (see extract below) said that no badges etc were to be worn on with the khaki Wolseley helmet. So what is the black patch on the side with the white bar on it?
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Extract from paragraph 32, Army Dress Regs 1913.
Helmet, Universal, Foreign Service.—Helmets in description are worn by all officers:—
khaki and white drill of the following
" Wolseley " pattern, cork, made with six seams ; bound with buff leather; projecting brim all round,
3 inches in front, 4 inches at back, 2 inches at sides; ventilated at top with zinc button covered
with khaki or white drill; side hooks. At top of helmet, a collet riveted on to a collar 3-inch
wide to receive the button. Brown leather chin strap ¾-inch wide. The khaki helmet with a
white cover and white pagri may be substituted for the white helmet.
Plumes, spikes, chains, & c, will be worn with the white helmet on ceremonial occasions when not
on duty with troops, and by General, Staff, and Departmental Officers in review order with troops.
Plumes will not be worn by General and Staff Officers when the order of dress is " Review order,
staff in blue."
No badges, plumes, hackles, or ornaments of any description are to be worn with the khaki helmet.

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Re: Help to identify the regiment
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 23 August 23 20:24 BST (UK) »
I’ve got no answers at all - this was in my late aunts things and might relate to her husbands family (who are another mystery to me just now).  Any and all ideas are gratefully accepted.  Thank you.
Davison - London
South - London, Hampshire
Sharp(e) - Hertfordshire, Suffolk
Lee - Ireland
Summerfield - London, Buckinghamshire
Bickers - London, Norfolk, Suffolk
Guiver - London, Hertfordshire, Essex, Cambridgeshire
Murray - London
Hill - London, Devon

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Re: Help to identify the regiment
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 23 August 23 23:39 BST (UK) »
I shouldn't laugh as there obviously have been problems getting the photograph but my immediate thought on opening was that they all looked like the British actor John Cleese in Fawlty Towers, Monty Python  and were going to leap off the page doing a silly walk.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eCLp7zodUiI