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Re: Samuel Morgan of 'Westminster Bath', married in Chipping Sodbury
« Reply #9 on: Saturday 26 August 23 13:45 BST (UK) »
Looking again at the original, I'm not sure the second letter in Westminster is the letter e  compared, for example the e at the end of Robt Coates name name and or the e in Licence etc

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Re: Samuel Morgan of 'Westminster Bath', married in Chipping Sodbury
« Reply #10 on: Saturday 26 August 23 13:48 BST (UK) »
I suspect that "Westminster" is a mistranscription (or mishearing) of one of the Bath parishes. Weston St John perhaps.

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Re: Samuel Morgan of 'Westminster Bath', married in Chipping Sodbury
« Reply #11 on: Saturday 26 August 23 13:58 BST (UK) »
Another possibility, is Worminster, Shepton Mallet about 21 miles away. 

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Re: Samuel Morgan of 'Westminster Bath', married in Chipping Sodbury
« Reply #12 on: Saturday 26 August 23 14:22 BST (UK) »
St John the Baptist, Chipping Sodbury, Gloucestershire;

Burials;
HESTER Morgan 15 May 1766
JOSEPH Morgan Snr* 19 Dec 1786
JOSEPH Morgan 06 Jan 1814 age 75 (c 1739) (possibly Joseph Jnr?)

A Tree has Samuel's Parents as JOSEPH/HESTER so have added a Burial for a Hester also.

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Also only 1 child bapt  Chipping on there to Joseph/Hester THOMAS 20 Feb. 1730
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Re: Samuel Morgan of 'Westminster Bath', married in Chipping Sodbury
« Reply #13 on: Saturday 26 August 23 14:34 BST (UK) »
How can trish1120 be so sure that "Bath" doesn't stand for Bachelor?

It was sometimes spelt "Batchelor" in registers.

Moreover, the word "Bachelor" appears in the marriage allegation.

"Westminster Bath" as a parish sounds like nonsense.

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Re: Samuel Morgan of 'Westminster Bath', married in Chipping Sodbury
« Reply #14 on: Saturday 26 August 23 14:40 BST (UK) »
Chipping Sodbury is close enough to Bath for most people there to have had at least a basic knowledge of the place and its constituent parishes, which does make it all rather odd. And the marriage licence documents quoted in reply #2 say he was of Chipping Sodbury anyway.

Another possibility, is Worminster, Shepton Mallet about 21 miles away. 

I think it's extremely unlikely that anyone would connect Worminster with Bath. But this was the period when Bath was an ultra-fashionable place to go, and growing rapidly: I wonder if one of the new developments was known for a time as Westminster, but the name then fell out of favour. After all, there are plenty of areas of Bath which share a name with parts of London or members of the nobility.

(EDIT: I've not found any evidence for this - see reply #21 below)

How can trish1120 be so sure that "Bath" doesn't stand for Bachelor?

It was sometimes spelt "Batchelor" in registers.

Moreover, the word "Bachelor" appears in the marriage allegation.

None of the other entries in the clip from the register have a marital status, so it seems rather unlikely from that point of view. You'd need to show that the minister/clerk did sometimes add it, and that he spelled it with a 't'. Moreover, there is evidence to connect this man to Bath, so that does on the face of it seem more likely.

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"Westminster Bath" as a parish sounds like nonsense.

That bit I agree with - except as I've written above, it might have meant something then.
Researching among others:
Bartle, Bilton, Bingley, Campbell, Craven, Emmott, Harcourt, Hirst, Kellet(t), Kennedy,
Meaburn, Mennile/Meynell, Metcalf(e), Palliser, Robinson, Rutter, Shipley, Stow, Wilkinson

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Re: Samuel Morgan of 'Westminster Bath', married in Chipping Sodbury
« Reply #15 on: Saturday 26 August 23 14:45 BST (UK) »
Arthur, most of the other parties on the image are "of this parish", so this is one of the few persons from elsewhere, which might explain why Bachelor has been recorded for him but not for others, that is, because they didn't know him.

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Re: Samuel Morgan of 'Westminster Bath', married in Chipping Sodbury
« Reply #16 on: Saturday 26 August 23 15:40 BST (UK) »
I think this is getting a bit far-fetched. Remember that - if everything else that has been found is correct - this man originally came from Chipping Sodbury, and the licence said he was from there rather than Bath.
Researching among others:
Bartle, Bilton, Bingley, Campbell, Craven, Emmott, Harcourt, Hirst, Kellet(t), Kennedy,
Meaburn, Mennile/Meynell, Metcalf(e), Palliser, Robinson, Rutter, Shipley, Stow, Wilkinson

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Re: Samuel Morgan of 'Westminster Bath', married in Chipping Sodbury
« Reply #17 on: Saturday 26 August 23 15:50 BST (UK) »
Not as far-fetched as the parish of Westminster Bath, though.