72, Constable Gardens, Edgware, Middsx

[jonw65]

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[softly softly]

Quote from Ladyhawk

"Has the birth certificate be purchased for Frances daughter to confirm her father's name?"

Short answer is no,not yet. Only found her in the last couple of days following the post re mother's probate record giving that name of Frances Priscilla Payne which tied in with the 1928 Smith/Downie birth.
It's strange how Frances Priscilla drops off the radar after possible marriage in Bangor to Geoffrey C Payne and so does Sean Andrew Smith after 1961.

SS

[Ladyhawk]

Just found these entries  - do you think they might be a possibility for Sean & Mabel?

Enfield Memorial Park, Australia
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/170591861/sean-andrew-smith - died age 74 on 2 April 1999
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/170413777/mabel-smith - died age 78 4 April 2000

[Ladyhawk]

Sean Andrew Smith arrival date 18 May 1969 Australia - from F M P  dob 4/9/1924 England, occ engineer

https://recordsearch.naa.gov.au/SearchNRetrieve/Interface/ViewImage.aspx?B=12140108&S=1611

[Ladyhawk]

and here's Mabel Smith same arrival date, housewife born 12/3/1922 England

https://recordsearch.naa.gov.au/SearchNRetrieve/Interface/ViewImage.aspx?B=12140108&S=1

[carol8353]

Just found these entries  - do you think they might be a possibility for Sean & Mabel?

Enfield Memorial Park, Australia
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/170591861/sean-andrew-smith - died age 74 on 2 April 1999
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/170413777/mabel-smith - died age 78 4 April 2000

Well found Ladyhawk, is an engineer 20 years on likely to be the same chap as a turner ( on Frances's probate records) in 1950?

[softly softly]

Indeed well found Ladyhawk. Looking at Smith/Kitson births after Sean's marriage to Mabel throws up 2 possible births in Hampstead, male 1946 & female 1947 possible children?-not that it really matters.

I think the only way of knowing Sean's true parentage is the birth cert but I have doubts about it naming Frances as the mother as the index records mmn Andrew.

SS

added Mabel Kitson with same dob as recorded on death is in Salisbury in 1939 training as a domestic servant.

[carol8353]

I think the only way of knowing Sean's true parentage is the birth cert but I have doubts about it naming Frances as the mother as the index records mmn Andrew.

SS

I don't think that Sean is Frances's' son,but was chosen to be an executor of her will along with Mrs Payne as 'sensible' members of her family. I think Sean is Paul's nephew.

[softly softly]

Could this be Paul?

Births Jun 1894   
Smith    Paul Auguste        Hendon    3a   228

Sod's law, no gro record.

1901 ref

Piece   5336
Folio   145
Page number   11

SS

added, sorry info previously found re 1901 census.