John Joass (1770-1849) & Mar. to Janet Hird/Herd and/or Janet McCombie

[Alan of Kaslo]

Here lies proof that the John Joass who married Janet Hird is the same John from Headtown of Cullen who later married Janet McCombie ...

JAMES JOASS
   
JOHN JOASS/JANET HIRD FR473 (FR473)
M
28/02/1800
155
20 / 247
Gamrie and Macduff

"John Joass in Headtown Cullen..."

[Alan of Kaslo]

JOASS JOHN
   
ALEXR. JOASS/MARY DUNCAN FR384 (FR384)
M
12/04/1770
155
20 / 71
Gamrie and Macduff

He is my X 7 half-uncle - From Mary Duncan. I am from Helen Ross. That is pretty far back and weak DNA.

It's my understanding that the above John Joass is the one you are inquiring about, who married both Janet Hird and Janet McCrombie.

He did die 12/12/1849... I believe (it says seatown of cullen not headtown so not positive) ...listed under John Joap  *attached*
   

[Alan of Kaslo]

The only child I can find from either marriage is James Joass 1800 ...

I don't see any kids for Janet McCombie.

It's possible John Joass just had the one child. Price are you related to James Joass 1800?

[GR2]

I havent read the other threads as having dinner.

Marriage is on FreeREG, 2 entries, with extra info that is not on Ancestry entry

The reason for the two entries will be because a marriage register was kept for the parish of Gamrie and a separate one was also kept at Macduff. You should always look at both, as one usually gives more information than the other.

[GR2]

listed under John Joap  *attached*

What you think is a p is actually ss. When ss was written, it was very common to write the first s as a long s. This is also found printed in books and looks like fs, except there is no bar through the middle of the long s as there is with f.

[GR2]

Son: James Joass
Birth of son: Feb 20 1800
Christening of son: Feb 28 1800 - Gamrie, Banff, Scotland
Wife: Janet Hird

The John Joass who married Janet Hird was having kids in 1800 (other John married in 1809)

The entry for the baptism says "natural son", not "lawful son" and Janet is not described as his wife (although the session clerk was accidentally going to write "his wife", got as far as "his", then scored it out). They were not married.

[Alan of Kaslo]

Great stuff! Thanks GR2.

Is James Joass 1800 also known as "Captain James Joss"?

[PriceNash]

Thanks Alan, I could not find any marriage record for Janet Hird. I wasn't sure if John Joass (1770-1849) was the same John that married Janet McCombie. I didn't find any children to Janet McCombie and with Janet Hird and John having James Joass (1800) which is thought to be James Alexander Joass, master mariner who went to New Zealand. So was looking for information that might confirm all of the above.

[PriceNash]

GR2, the information about James not being lawful son but natural son helps immensely. Appreciate everyone's input on this.

My line is from Alexander (1722-1802) and Helen Ross (1745-), Walter Joss (1780-1862) and Ann Mackay (1784-1854).