Former Nazereth House, Aberdeen inmates!

[MonicaL]

Regarding Patrick, his date of birth is showing on his migration records as 23 March 1940. As giblet mentioned, Patrick's record does not include a place of birth.

However, there is this birth registration which is a possible for him:

Births 2nd Qrt 1940
Patrick M. Doogan
Mother's maiden name Watson   
Rotherham (Yorkshire East Riding)   
Vol. 9c Pg 1562

Later years refs to further documents, on the link from giblet, show Patrick's middle name as Michael. Location Perth like Lawrence.

Monica

[MonicaL]

I noted one marriage as a possible:

Marriages 3rd Qrt 1938
Patrick Doogan and Dorothy M E Watson
Sheffield (Yorkshire East Riding)
Vol 9c Pg. 1549

Can't easily see them so far on the 1939 Register.

There is a possible birth in Walsall for the bride in 4th Qrt 1919, mother's maiden name Lloyd.

Monica

[MonicaL]

A question from me...should have asked it first 

What makes you think that these two births and what went on to happen to the boys connects to your Uncle Patrick? If they were never mentioned by the family, what makes you think that your Uncle could be their father?

You mentioned you have access to Ancestry. Have you seen this family tree on there? www.ancestry.co.uk/family-tree/person/tree/105900828/person/182468825788/facts

They have a link to the 1939 Register (that I couldn't find!). This shows birth date for Patrick as 18 May 1917. His occupation is given as bricklayer's labourer. His death shows in 1990 in Cheshire with matching birth date.

Dorothy's is showing as 22 Oct 1919 which fits well with the possible birth registration in 1919.

I think Patrick and wife Dorothy may have separated in the 1940s.

Enough there for you to consider whether this is your Uncle Patrick?

Monica

[giblet]

I can only get the index up for the E/R. Maybe a wife with him??

Lawrence  1980   city, O'Connor, Western Australia

We should be careful to because he could be still living.

[DavePPP]

Hi Monica
Thanks for all this info. Looked at birth records for both boys and mothers name are the same. Probably unusual for two boys with same name and travelling from the same place to not to be related. However I am not the experienced so is possible. Maybe I am just jumping to conclusions. Archivist at Nazareth house has information but cannot release as I do not have the correct documentation.
A further interesting note is that on Patricks release to Nazareth house father puts a cross and co-signed by mother superior, but on Lawrence no cross but same mother superior. Confusing isn't in it!

[heywood]

Many thanks for the information, just to enlighten you further. I have obtained two Immigration documents from Australia house in London. Both signed on the same day and by the same person. ID numbers on documents are concurrent and support travel documents from ship records that two brothers, Patrick and Lawrence Doogan travelled to WA in 1953. Furthermore both immigration documents indicate then two boys were in the care of Nazareth house Aberdeen at the same time (both signed by the Mother Superior).
Ancestry records show that Patrick died in Australia, but no dates or records available. He possibly died in the Simpson desert in the centre of Australia, no dates.
Further records show that Lawrence may have travelled back to the UK in the 70's and was a firefighter, no other records found.

Finally, I have sent messages to owners of Ancestry sights where the boys are mentioned but had no reply. Not sure what else I can do?
Have sent an email to Nazareth house archives in Ireland but nothing so far.

I might have misunderstood this but the outgoing passenger list shows an address of :
146a St Stephen’s House, S. W.1
There are seven children altogether described as ‘student’ and last permanent residence for all is England.

[heywood]

Added to previous post.
I wonder if St Stephen’s House was a business address for Nazareth House or a similar institution.

[DavePPP]

That was my line of thought. What I can do is to ascertain via immigration records if the other students were hosted in Nazareth house.

[DavePPP]

Looking at the list of other students on the passenger manifest and staying at St Stephens house I have found at least two others were resident at Nazareth house, not looked at others.