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Manorial Records
« on: Monday 04 September 23 21:14 BST (UK) »
Hi Rootschatter,

I am tackling the manorial rolls of a manor in Suffolk and need guidance/correction of one section. Any assistance is greatly appreciated.  Thank you.

Below is my verbatim (I hope) line-by-line transliteration of the attached snippet.  I have not enclosed the expansions in round brackets - there are just too many of them.

Et tenet similiter unam piccelum terras ac diversus
pecias prati pasture et marisci parcell de
Beversham iacentem inter predictus viam charted
ex parte northwest et pratum Rector de
Blaxall in parte et pratum de dnicis?
manerii de Glemham parva in parte ex
parte sowthest et abutt super predictam
communem viam ducentem usque Beversham
Bridge versus sowthwest et super ultimam
peciam versus northest et continet per estimatio
v acras

And here is my translation of the same.  It is the translation that I am having trouble with.

And he likewise holds one small piece of land and other
pieces of meadow pasture and a marshy parcel of
Beversham lying between the aforesaid charted road
from the northwest side and the meadow of the Rector of
Blaxall on the side and the meadow of the ?
in part from the manor of Little Glemham
on the southeast part and abutting upon the aforesaid
common road leading to Beversham
Bridge toward the southwest and over the last
piece toward the northeast and contains by estimation
5 acres
CRN-Hocking
DVN-Bickle.Doble.Harris.Hill.Nrthcte
KEN-Austen.Bodeker.Collard.Dodd.Duncan.Eaton.Gregry.Hammnd.Herman.Hills.Hodgs.Ivysn.
James.Kemp.Milstd.Nut.Owlet.Ruck.Spilet.Terry.Tilby.Thmsn.Walker
SOM-Baker.Clatworthy.Linton.Parker.Smith.Stone.Twose
ABD-Barclay.Cruickshank.McKenzie.Shepherd.Club
LKS-Douglas.Gunn.Turner
MLN-Dicks/Dickson.Duff.Lindsay.Young
SHI-Bain.Cluness.Fordyce.Gray.Petrie
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Re: Manorial Records
« Reply #1 on: Monday 04 September 23 23:09 BST (UK) »
Et tenet similiter unum pictellum terre ac diversas
pecias prati pasture et marisci parcellam de
Beversham iacentem inter predictam viam charted
ex parte northwest et pratum Rectoris de
Blaxall in parte et pratum de dominicis
manerii de Glemham parva in parte ex
parte sowthest et abuttantem super predictam
communem viam ducentem usque Beversham
Bridge versus sowthwest et super ultimam
peciam versus northest et continet per estimationem
v acras

And he likewise holds one small piece of land and various
pieces of meadow, pasture and marsh, [namely] a parcel of
Beversham lying between the aforesaid charted road
on the northwest side, and partly the meadow of the Rector of
Blaxall and partly the meadow of the demesne of
the manor of Little Glemham on the
southeast side, and abutting upon the aforesaid
common road leading as far as Beversham
Bridge towards the southwest, and [abutting] upon the last
piece toward the northeast, and it contains by estimation
5 acres

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I've corrected some of the Latin endings, as they affect the sense and therefore the translation.

Ex parte ... is usually translated as ‘on the ... side’ (i.e. south, north, or whatever). But I think in this case the south-east boundary is made up partly of the Rector’s meadow and partly of the demesne lands of the manor. So it's a little more complicated.

At the end, I’m not sure exactly what ultimam peciam (‘the last piece’) refers to, but that’s definitely what the Latin says. Could it be a piece of land referenced in the previous entry in the roll? Just a thought.

I hope that helps a bit.

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Re: Manorial Records
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 05 September 23 01:37 BST (UK) »
Thank you, Bookbox,

This is brilliant and I really appreciate you correcting the Latin endings.  I struggle with those at times and do know that they affect the meaning of the translation.  My knowledge of the legal side of things and metes and bounds descriptions helps me get close to the context of the article.  I'm glad to see that I wasn't too far off in the translation.

Thank you again, for your assistance.  It is greatly appreciated.
CRN-Hocking
DVN-Bickle.Doble.Harris.Hill.Nrthcte
KEN-Austen.Bodeker.Collard.Dodd.Duncan.Eaton.Gregry.Hammnd.Herman.Hills.Hodgs.Ivysn.
James.Kemp.Milstd.Nut.Owlet.Ruck.Spilet.Terry.Tilby.Thmsn.Walker
SOM-Baker.Clatworthy.Linton.Parker.Smith.Stone.Twose
ABD-Barclay.Cruickshank.McKenzie.Shepherd.Club
LKS-Douglas.Gunn.Turner
MLN-Dicks/Dickson.Duff.Lindsay.Young
SHI-Bain.Cluness.Fordyce.Gray.Petrie
ASSISTANCE PROVIDED HERE IS FROM MY OWN DIRECT EXPERIENCE & NOT TO BE CONSTRUED AS LEGAL ADVICE

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Re: Manorial Records
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 07 September 23 19:34 BST (UK) »
Hi, Rootschatters,

I need help deciphering an abbreviation that appears in the right-hand column next to a manorial property description.  I've attached the snippet and underlined the abbreviation with yellow.  Any and all help is greatly appreciated.  Thank you.
CRN-Hocking
DVN-Bickle.Doble.Harris.Hill.Nrthcte
KEN-Austen.Bodeker.Collard.Dodd.Duncan.Eaton.Gregry.Hammnd.Herman.Hills.Hodgs.Ivysn.
James.Kemp.Milstd.Nut.Owlet.Ruck.Spilet.Terry.Tilby.Thmsn.Walker
SOM-Baker.Clatworthy.Linton.Parker.Smith.Stone.Twose
ABD-Barclay.Cruickshank.McKenzie.Shepherd.Club
LKS-Douglas.Gunn.Turner
MLN-Dicks/Dickson.Duff.Lindsay.Young
SHI-Bain.Cluness.Fordyce.Gray.Petrie
ASSISTANCE PROVIDED HERE IS FROM MY OWN DIRECT EXPERIENCE & NOT TO BE CONSTRUED AS LEGAL ADVICE


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Re: Manorial Records
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 07 September 23 20:17 BST (UK) »
It's hard to get the context from so small a sample, but I wonder if it is an abbreviation of perticae (perches (a unit of land measurement)).

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Re: Manorial Records
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 07 September 23 20:21 BST (UK) »
It's hard to get the context from so small a sample, but I wonder if it is an abbreviation of perticae (perches (a unit of land measurement)).

Yes, it is 'perches'.

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Re: Manorial Records
« Reply #6 on: Friday 08 September 23 02:04 BST (UK) »
Thank you, Watson and Bookbox,

Yes, it is a small sample but that is as it stands in the document.  My brain was telling me that it had to be some measurement of land but I just couldn't latch on to the correct word ending.

Thank you, again, you two.  Your help is greatly appreciated.
CRN-Hocking
DVN-Bickle.Doble.Harris.Hill.Nrthcte
KEN-Austen.Bodeker.Collard.Dodd.Duncan.Eaton.Gregry.Hammnd.Herman.Hills.Hodgs.Ivysn.
James.Kemp.Milstd.Nut.Owlet.Ruck.Spilet.Terry.Tilby.Thmsn.Walker
SOM-Baker.Clatworthy.Linton.Parker.Smith.Stone.Twose
ABD-Barclay.Cruickshank.McKenzie.Shepherd.Club
LKS-Douglas.Gunn.Turner
MLN-Dicks/Dickson.Duff.Lindsay.Young
SHI-Bain.Cluness.Fordyce.Gray.Petrie
ASSISTANCE PROVIDED HERE IS FROM MY OWN DIRECT EXPERIENCE & NOT TO BE CONSTRUED AS LEGAL ADVICE