Minor marrying

[misstinkerbell77]

Good morning,  I have the marriage certificate for my great grandparents in Athlone 1889, William George Smith and Anne Obrien who was 17 and listed as a minor.  Would there be a record anywhere of parental permission being given? I’m trying to find out more info regarding Anne as she’s something of a brick wall, despite doing DNA.  Her father is named as John Obrien, labourer, on the marriage certificate. 

[CaroleW]

Have you looked for her on the 1901 census to establish her age & birthplace. 

You have posted on the Ireland (Historical Counties) board so we don't know where she was from - only that she married in Athlone

[heywood]

For information, here is the marriage
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1889/10751/5920508.pdf

[misstinkerbell77]

Have you looked for her on the 1901 census to establish her age & birthplace. 

You have posted on the Ireland (Historical Counties) board so we don't know where she was from - only that she married in Athlone

1891 census place of birth says Westmeath, age 18
1901 Westmeath, 28
1911 Tipperary, 39
1921 Castletown G, 48
1939 gives d.o.b as 14/11/1872

After marriage they moved to Berkshire

[misstinkerbell77]

For information, here is the marriage
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1889/10751/5920508.pdf

Yes, this is what I have 

[Jon_ni]

Edited due to typo:
There would have been a marriage licence granted & recorded by the Church of Ireland Diocese office but unlikely to be readily accessible if exists perhaps in the CoI RCB Library or NAI. Have only come across these Marriage Notice Books for Kildare
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSMQ-G21X
which contain one example of the Oath sworn for Full aged couples https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSMQ-G2GV

[misstinkerbell77]

There would have been a marriage licence granted & recorded by the CoI Diocese office of Ireland but likely to be readily accessible if exists in the CoI RCB Library or NAI. Have only come across these Marriage Notice Books for Kildare
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSMQ-G21X
which contain one example of the Oath sworn for Full aged couples https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSMQ-G2GV

Thank you for the info

[gaffy]

I'm going to throw this in just as a speculative punt, until it can be ruled in or out, the detail can be found in NLI RC parish records and in civil records for the 1864+ births, I'll be as brief as I can, in case it's a red herring.

It's a couple called John O'Brien and Bridget Egan who married in 1855 in Ss Peter & Paul's Clonmel, Tipperary, within the Diocese of Waterford and Lismore, which covers both counties Tipperary and Waterford. In the following, sometimes the surname O'Brien is used, other times it's just Brien.

I can see a run of children for this couple, all baptised in Ss Peter & Paul's Clonmel, Tipperary, except one. Those baptised in Ss Peter & Paul's Clonmel are Thomas John Brien (1858), Anastasia Brien (1860), Ambrose O'Brien (1862), Bridget O'Brien (1865), John Brien / O'Brien (1867), Frederick O'Brien (1869) and Patrick Brien / O'Brien (1872). The baptismal records don't mention any address for these folk, the 1864+ civil birth records give their address as different streets in Clonmel, Tipperary. 

Between Frederick and Patrick, there is a baptismal record for an Anne Brien who was baptised in Castletown Geoghan RC parish, County Westmeath, it took place on 19 November 1870, parents recorded as John Brien (soldier) + Bridget Egan, the sponsor was Anne Daly (right page):
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000635098#page/15/mode/1up

When I went looking for a corresponding civil birth for Anne, the only record I could find shows her mother's maiden name as Owens - I'm not sure why, though I'm aware of sources that say Egan is ultimately descended from Eoghan, for which Owen is the anglicised version.  Anyhow, the civil birth was registered in Castletown Geoghan, County Westmeath, Anne was born on 15 November 1870 to 'John Brien 89th Regiment India' and Bridget Owens, I can't make out the address, I thought it was maybe the townland of Garhy, but it looks like there's a 't' in there, so maybe not:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1870/03321/2217113.pdf

As reference, here are the civil birth registrations for Frederick and Patrick who were born before and after Anne - I'm wondering if Bridget maybe travelled from Clonmel to whatever that place is in County Westmeath to vist friends / relatives and have her child, while John was away soldiering.

Frederick in 1869:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1869/03381/2239592.pdf

Patrick in 1872:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1872/03258/2193917.pdf

Anyhow, see what you think, it does tick some boxes, for example the birth day and month is close and the geography of Clonmel in Tipperary and Castletown Geoghan in Westmeath sort of covers all bases, in terms of what you've mentioned as her birthplace in the various censuses.

[heywood]

That looks good gaffy - especially as Castletown G is shown in 1921 which seems more specific.