Wrong name on marriage certificate - why?

[Venster1972]

Robert Copson Venney/Veni had died by 1911, when his wife descibes herself as a widow.

Your Great grandmother's brother, John Robert was only three years older than her. Probably not someone she would consider to be a father figure.

When she married, was her mother still living?

Robert Copson Venney didn't use his middle name when he married, and it doesn't appear on the 1901 census, or on your great grandmother's birth certificate 

Perhaps, by the 1940s, the family understood that John Robert had been named after his father, and thought that he was also John Robert.  If there was no one alive to say otherwise, that's what would be recorded in the register.

This would make sense I suppose. Her mother had died before 1940, in 1932, according to my tree that I have.

If the info I have from FreeBMD, Robert Venney died in 1901- how could he be the informant on Caroline’s birth certificate in 1903?

This is so confusing!

[rosie99]

I’m early days trying to find out any extra information and at £11 a certificate it soon adds up.

Just wish there was a cheaper way of finding things out for definite.

PDF's at £7 are available for some births and deaths, also an even cheaper option for Digital images at £2.50 for some dates
https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/indexes_search.asp

[heywood]

Is the death you have, Robert Venney, 36 yrs Ely.

1891 has a Robert Veney b 1864, Ely with father Jacob

1901 has a Robert Verny b 1865 in hospital.

[Jebber]

I am confused, it’s easily done.

The  certificates don’t match.  The  birth certificate is for a girl surname VENI but the marriage certificate shows the bride Helen  BROUGHTON and the groom Robert VENI.

James VENI  deceased is named as grooms father not John.

According to the certificate Helen made her mark rather than signed.

The certificate is only a copy, so it is quite possibly for whoever transcribed the original to have made a complete mess of the facts.

[rosie99]

The marriage certificate is for the parents of the 1903 birth

[Galium]

There is a report in The Peterborough Express 9 October 1907 of an application for compensation by Ellen Veni for the death of her husband Robert while he was employed by Messrs. Freer Brothers of Stanground.

Robert had been drowned while working on a lighter (a river boat carrying cargo).  He was said to be short sighted, and wore glasses. The accident happened on 31 July 1907, at Whittlesey.

The death index shows a death of Robert Beni aged 40* in 3rd quarter of 1907 in Whittlesey district

*the newspaper says he was 37 - but very likely whoever reported the death to the registrar wasn't someone who knew him well enough to have his correct age.

[heywood]

Well done and thank you, Galium. 

[Jebber]

The marriage certificate is for the parents of the 1903 birth

Thanks Rosie, the heat must be getting to my brain.

[Venster1972]

Thank you very much for this info Galium.

I’ve just realised I’ve not posted what I meant to 🤦‍♂️ so here it is 🙄