Mark Joy of Hastings - did he support Drake's fleet against the Spanish Armada

[Watson]

Written and proved in 1589. The will is clearly written and transcription presents no problem, but I don't have time just now.  Having skimmed through it quickly, I didn't notice any reference to support for Drake or the Armada defences.

I wonder if the support could have been of a financial nature, so that his name appeared in a subsidy roll or some other kind of taxation list, or a list of voluntary contributions.  The initial post does say specifically "sailed in support", but we do not know the strength of the evidence for that, and the will seems to belie it (assuming this is the right will).

[goldie61]

Clip 1
In the name of God amen: The viijth daye
of Aprill A^o dm 1589 I Marcke Joye of Hastinge in
the countie of Sussex marryner beinge sick in bodie and
of good and p(er)fect remembrannce praise and thanckes bee
geven to god.  doe make and ordaine my last will & testam(en)t
in man(n)er and forme followinge: ffirst I Com(m)end my soule
unto Allmightie god my maker & redeemer, and my bodye
I com(m)itt to the earth from whence it came; And for disposi-
tion of such goodes and  Chattles as I have, ffirst I will
                                                                 that

[goldie61]

Clip 2
that all such debtes as I owe unto any p(er)so(n)ne or p(er)son(n)es
shalbe truly paid; Item I will that my wife shall dwell
in my house and have the use thereof duringe her naturall
life, And after her death the same to remayne to my sonne
Marcke joye and to his heires for ever; Item I give and
bequeath unto my said sonne Marcke Joye   iijli of lawfull
money of England and foure of my nettes or flewes; Item
I give and bequeath unto Anne Joye and Katherine Joye
my daughters  iiijli of like lawfull money a peece, that is to
say   vjli betwene them; And allso I give to either of them
two nettes a peece; w(hi)ch said legacies soe given to my said
Children I will that my wife shall have the Custodye and
usinge of untill my said Children  shall come to the age of
fowreteene yeares, and then to be set out to encrease for
them  att the discretion of my Overseers hereafter named;
And yf my said wife shall fortune to marry then my mynde
is that my said Overseers shall take sufficient sureties
for the annsweringe of my Childrens legacies, or else if she
refuse soe to doe, then that she shall make p(re)sent paymenr
of the said legacies unto my Overseers unto the use of my
said childre; And also my will  and mynd is that if any
of my said Children fortune to dye before the tyme as they


A flewe was another sort of net evidently

[goldie61]

shalbe of age to receive their said legacies, that then the
parte and porc(i)on of him her or them deceassinge shall
remayne to such of my Children as shalbe lyvinge equally
betweene them; Item I give unto my brother John Joye
a yarmouth nett and a rope  belonginge to it:  Item I
give to my brother Christopher Joye a flewes nett;/ Item
all the rest of my goodes and Chattles not geven nor bequea-
thed I give and bequeath the same unto dennys Joye my
wife whome I make my Executrix of this my said laste
will and Testament; And I doe nominate and appoynte
my verie frendes John Holland and John Couldam to bee
my Overseers of this my said will desiringe them to bee
carefull for my Childrens well doinge, And I give unto
either of them  xijd a peece; (Marke Joye his marke)
witnesses hereunto Thomas Knighte sen, Robt Seargeant,
Edward Wood, Richard Bossin



Hopefully a Latin expert will be along to do the probate.

[goldie61]

The first will you posted
In the Name of God Amen This ffower & twentieth daie of
October One thowsand Six hundred & Seaventie I Marke
Joy thelder of the Towne & port of Hasting in the Countie
of Sussex ffysherman  sick in Bodie but of a sound minde & good
memorie, doe make & ordaine this my last will & Testament
as followeth vizt Imprimis & cheiflie I render my Soule to
God my Creator faithfullie expecting the remission of all my
sinnes, fullie & onlie by & through the Redempc(i)on of my ever
blessed Lord & Savior Jesus Christ, and everlasting life & glorie
through the same his meritorious purchase, Resurrection &
Assension, & sitting at the right hand of his father, ever making
intercession for mee & all the faithfull, and by whoes ever blessed
Spirit I hope to bee conducted thither after thend of this miserable &
sinfull life, And my Bodie I com(m)itt to the earth & [   ]
buriall. Item I give iijs iiijd to the poore of St Clem(en)ts p(ar)ish
where I dwell. Item I give & devise to my loving
daughter Marie, her heires & Assignes for ever, All that
my howse or p(ar)te of a howse & garden thereunto belonging
in the parish wherein I now dwell, & w(hi)ch I use & enjoy;
But if shee die w(i)thout yssue & heires of her Bodie lawfully
to be begotten, Then I devise & will the same howse & garden
to ^my^ other daughter Elizabeth wife of Thomas Chapman and
her heires & Assignes for ever, Item to my daughter Marie
I give & Bequeath this Bedstedle wherein I now lie, And all
other the rest of my goodes & chattells whatsoever here unbequeathed
(my debts & funerall expences first payd & satisfied) I give to
both my s(ai)d daughters Elizabeth & Marie equallie to be
shifted & devided betwene them: And I make & ordaine them
both my joint Executrixes of this my Last will & Testam(en)t
w(hi)ch I testifie by setting hereunto my hand & seale (revoking all
other), and declaring & publishing this onlie to bee, in the
p(re)sence of theis credible p(er)sons witnesses viz
Thomas Rainolds
Marke Baree
Elizabeth Pym(m) widd(ow)
her marke


Marke Joy thelder
his marke


I thought that might be a 'Christian ' burial, but I don't think it is.
Any ideas anyone?

[Bookbox]

I thought that might be a 'Christian ' burial, but I don't think it is.
Any ideas anyone?

You’re right, it's written χρ(ist)ien = Christien.
The first two letters are Greek chi and ro, often used in words beginning Chr...

[Bookbox]

1589 probate translation
This present above-written will was proved before Master John Motley, Clerk, Master of Arts, Surrogate etc., on the fifth day of the month of September in the year of the Lord 1589 and was confirmed by the same and on his authority; and administration etc. was granted to Dennys Joye, the relict and executrix etc., who was sworn.

1671 probate translation
This will was proved at Hastings on the 25th of May in the year of the Lord 1671 before Master Edward Loe, Clerk, [...] and Surrogate etc., by the oath(s) of Elizabeth Joye otherwise Chapman and Mary Joy, the natural and lawful daughters of the said deceased and the executrixes, to whom administration etc. was granted, to well and faithfully administer etc., sworn on the Holy etc.

[goldie61]

I thought that might be a 'Christian ' burial, but I don't think it is.
Any ideas anyone?

You’re right, it's written χρ(ist)ien = Christien.
The first two letters are Greek chi and ro, often used in words beginning Chr...

Thanks Bookbox.
It was the second symbol that looks like a 'p' that I couldn't work how it fitted into 'Christian'.

[artifis]

Bookbox and Goldie61 thank you so much, that's brilliant.

It wrecks my understanding of information given to me many years ago by a member of the White fishing family of Hastings who had collectively researched the White ancestry. 

The lady who gave me the information said that they'd found a lot of documents concerning the Joy(e) family and went onto tell me about the claim of having set sail in support of the English Fleet.  I'm wondering if my memory has misled me and the claim was in one of these documents. 

Unfortunately a particularly vicious virus bypassed the most expensive and most recommended security software at the time that I had installed - Kaspersky - and totally trashed my system.  Kaspersky didn't want to know or help.  As well as trashing the operating system it also trashed most of my files including the one where I'd recorded both the White lady's details and my summation of what she'd told me. Very little was recoverable and stupidly I hadn't backed up my info for some time!   

I do remember she was a member of the Sussex Family History Group  so I'll try and contact her through that.

I'm intrigued that during his lifetime he claimed to have sailed in support and the maps from 1589 indicate vessels sailing from ports in support of the English Fleet so maybe he did or just sailed out after the fleets passed to see what pickings could be made from the debris left behind - rigging, pulley blocks etc.

The will translations has put the claim back into the realm of family legend again unless I can make contact with the White family again.

Thanks again for your help.