Author Topic: Looking for some Irish expert help- MULLANS of Shankhill  (Read 385 times)

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Re: LOOKING FOR SOME IRISH EXPERT HELP - MULLANS OF SHANKHILL
« Reply #9 on: Saturday 16 September 23 19:41 BST (UK) »
I have a subscription to the British Newspapers Archive and found them there. (Possibly FindMyPast donít have the 1960s for the Telegraph).
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Re: LOOKING FOR SOME IRISH EXPERT HELP - MULLANS OF SHANKHILL
« Reply #10 on: Saturday 16 September 23 19:52 BST (UK) »
I can't yet find a birth for the bride, but here are candidates for her parents marrying in 1911, Robert Stewart Bennett and Sarah Jane Matthews:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1911/09963/5622433.pdf

Note the address and the father's occupation in the following 1920 birth registration for their daughter Sarah (a match for the 1930 marriage record):
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1920/01226/1510159.pdf

There was also a daughter Lillie born in 1912:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1912/01494/1607676.pdf
 

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Re: LOOKING FOR SOME IRISH EXPERT HELP - MULLANS OF SHANKHILL
« Reply #11 on: Saturday 16 September 23 19:55 BST (UK) »
Itís a bit of a guess but I wondered if this is your Mullan family in the 1911 census.  Your James was born c 1906 according to the age on his marriage certificate, and we know his parents were James & Margaret.

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/Carnmoney/Ballyhowne/187585/

This Margaretís maiden name was Dowie or Doey. Birth for James:

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1906/01744/1688516.pdf

Marriage:

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1904/10197/5710368.pdf
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Re: LOOKING FOR SOME IRISH EXPERT HELP - MULLANS OF SHANKHILL
« Reply #12 on: Saturday 16 September 23 20:10 BST (UK) »
Elwyn has the correct couple, check out the address for the following 1919 birth registration for a son to this couple named Norman, the same address as the 1930 marriage record (73 Eastland Street):
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1919/01242/1516445.pdf



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Re: LOOKING FOR SOME IRISH EXPERT HELP - MULLANS OF SHANKHILL
« Reply #13 on: Saturday 16 September 23 20:24 BST (UK) »
Margaret Dowie and her parents and siblings in 1901:

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Antrim/Clifton/Everton_Street/961606/

James Mullan junior in 1901 with his parents:

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Antrim/Clifton_Ward/Hooker_Street/983678/

2 children born in Scotland so the family had evidently lived there for a while.
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Re: LOOKING FOR SOME IRISH EXPERT HELP - MULLANS OF SHANKHILL
« Reply #14 on: Saturday 16 September 23 20:28 BST (UK) »
And here's maybe a bit of a story, the 'Additional Pages' confirms the address of house 16 as street number 32, which is a match for the bride's address in the 1911 marriage record:
http://census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/Shankill/Sancroft_Street/152716/
 
Is 1 year old 'Maggie Robertson' the bride in 1930?


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Re: LOOKING FOR SOME IRISH EXPERT HELP - MULLANS OF SHANKHILL
« Reply #15 on: Saturday 16 September 23 20:45 BST (UK) »
Guys you are all wonderful - Thanks so much for everything so far - I'm quickly putting it all together on a tree.....
McCARROLL, MCCARDLE, COX, STRACHAN, CALDWELL, RAMAGE, WOOD, JOHNSTON

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« Reply #16 on: Saturday 16 September 23 21:17 BST (UK) »
I still haven't found a birth for the Margretta (or different spellings) who married James Mullan in 1930, there's a definite whiff of mystery in that 1911 census return for 32 Sancroft Street, however for now, I'm going to guess that the person listed as her father in that 1930 marriage record - Robert S(tewart) Bennett - was the following son named Stewart Bennett born to a shoemaker called Thomas Bennett and Agnes Magee in 1880 (note the twin Margaret Ann above him):
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1880/02888/2058302.pdf

Stewart was baptised in St. Patrick's RC Church Belfast on 19 January 1880 as Stuart Robert (no. 2239 below):
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000633211#page/158/mode/1up

Twin Margaret Ann was baptised in St. Peter's RC Church the following day and a transcript of the baptismal record I can see (on a subscription site) has been annotated to say that the father Thomas was a protestant.

Anyhow, here is the family (I think) in 1901:
http://census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Antrim/Woodvale_Ward/Percy_Street/1007370/

Agnes then died and Thomas remarried, to a Jane McClurg in 1905, his father stated as Stewart Bennett:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1905/10178/5703347.pdf

Here was that couple in 1911:
http://census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/Wood_Vale_Ward/Cumberland_Street/163767/

And here is the first marriage of Thomas Bennett, to Agnes Magee in 1878, his father given as Stewart Bennett:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1878/11098/8061974.pdf


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Re: LOOKING FOR SOME IRISH EXPERT HELP - MULLANS OF SHANKHILL
« Reply #17 on: Saturday 16 September 23 21:18 BST (UK) »
Gaffy

I think you are right.

Any clue as to why Robert listed Sarah and Maggie as his cousins? Was it because they were living in sin? Is that what people did? I think Im answering my own question as Maggie born 1910 the census in spring 1911 and then Robert and Sarah married in Nov 1911

McCARROLL, MCCARDLE, COX, STRACHAN, CALDWELL, RAMAGE, WOOD, JOHNSTON