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Re: Jessie Mckay's birth
« Reply #9 on: Wednesday 20 September 23 20:29 BST (UK) »
John MacKay and Isabella Oliver
1851 census
https://www.freecen.org.uk/search_records/5905c278e9379091b17dac1d/isabella-mckay-1851-sutherland-farr-1809-?locale=en

The family is at the same place in 1841 and daughter Janet, age 9, is with them.

Marriage -
ISABELLA OLIVER 
JOHN MACKAY
FR257 (FR257)
06/02/1829 Farr
Milligan - Jardine – Glencross – Dinwoodie - Brown: (Dumfriesshire & Kirkcudbrightshire)
Clark – Faulds – Cuthbertson – Bryson – Wilson: (Ayrshire & Renfrewshire)
Neale – Cater – Kinder - Harrison: (Warwickshire & Queensland)
Roberts - Spry: (Cornwall, Middlesex & Queensland)
Munster: (Schleswig-Holstein & Queensland) and Plate: (Braunschweig, Neubruck & Queensland & New York)

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Re: Jessie Mckay's birth
« Reply #10 on: Wednesday 20 September 23 23:06 BST (UK) »
Informant on Jessies death Certificate is William McKenzie cousin Gartymore

thank you for this information Its late but I will look into it tomorrow
Elizabeth
McKenzie,Helmsdale.,Mackay's,Gordon's,Polsons,Sutherland's,Loth & N/Z .Watson ,Munro,Pitsligo.Black. Harle ,East Hollywell.Black,and Short East Hollywell.Northumberland Gair, Amble,Douglas,Amble,Mitchell ,Fettercairns,Lyall, Brechin .Mearns Brechin.Thompson's ,Spittal. Maghie,Young .Raey Cumberland & Newcastle & Glasgow .Gilroy, Northumberland. Stark's Kyloe & Tweedmouth .Skeen's Tweedmouth.Gregsons Northumberland & America. Andrew Farmer Turnbull Berwick , Pool and Black Hull.Lounton Tweedmouth

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Re: Jessie Mckay's birth
« Reply #11 on: Wednesday 20 September 23 23:24 BST (UK) »
Oh looking back on my first post I have made a big mistake so sorry all
Jessies father is John like Neale1961 says not Robert
So in 1851 census Jessie is not at home so could be working somewhere else
On her marriage to Hugh she is  A house Maid could she be working for Hugh
Its late I must get to bed
Thank you so much once again
Elizabeth

 
McKenzie,Helmsdale.,Mackay's,Gordon's,Polsons,Sutherland's,Loth & N/Z .Watson ,Munro,Pitsligo.Black. Harle ,East Hollywell.Black,and Short East Hollywell.Northumberland Gair, Amble,Douglas,Amble,Mitchell ,Fettercairns,Lyall, Brechin .Mearns Brechin.Thompson's ,Spittal. Maghie,Young .Raey Cumberland & Newcastle & Glasgow .Gilroy, Northumberland. Stark's Kyloe & Tweedmouth .Skeen's Tweedmouth.Gregsons Northumberland & America. Andrew Farmer Turnbull Berwick , Pool and Black Hull.Lounton Tweedmouth

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Re: Jessie Mckay's birth
« Reply #12 on: Thursday 21 September 23 03:09 BST (UK) »
I can't be certain, but this entry in the 1851 census seems the most likely for Jessie/ Janet McKay (she might be working for a relative)
https://www.freecen.org.uk/search_records/5905c282e9379091b17dbcc7/janet-mckay-1851-sutherland-farr-1833-?locale=en


This is Hugh McKenzie in 1851 census
https://www.freecen.org.uk/search_records/5905c2a2e9379091b17dee66/hugh-mckenzie-1851-sutherland-kildonan-1806-?locale=en
(His 1st wife Ann Murray died in 1862)
Milligan - Jardine – Glencross – Dinwoodie - Brown: (Dumfriesshire & Kirkcudbrightshire)
Clark – Faulds – Cuthbertson – Bryson – Wilson: (Ayrshire & Renfrewshire)
Neale – Cater – Kinder - Harrison: (Warwickshire & Queensland)
Roberts - Spry: (Cornwall, Middlesex & Queensland)
Munster: (Schleswig-Holstein & Queensland) and Plate: (Braunschweig, Neubruck & Queensland & New York)


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Re: Jessie Mckay's birth
« Reply #13 on: Thursday 21 September 23 07:57 BST (UK) »
The census has John MacKay born abt 1804 Durness Sutherland.
He is last seen in the 1881 census with his wife Isabella and 2 sons living in Clyne

possible Death for John MacKay
1886 in Clyne. Age 83. Mother’s name INNES

……. and therefore possible Birth -
MACKAY   JOHN   
parents - GEORGE MAC KAY OR ABERACH       MARGARET INNES
FR 98 (FR98)   M   
15/05/1802   DURNESS
Milligan - Jardine – Glencross – Dinwoodie - Brown: (Dumfriesshire & Kirkcudbrightshire)
Clark – Faulds – Cuthbertson – Bryson – Wilson: (Ayrshire & Renfrewshire)
Neale – Cater – Kinder - Harrison: (Warwickshire & Queensland)
Roberts - Spry: (Cornwall, Middlesex & Queensland)
Munster: (Schleswig-Holstein & Queensland) and Plate: (Braunschweig, Neubruck & Queensland & New York)

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Re: Jessie Mckay's birth
« Reply #14 on: Thursday 21 September 23 08:09 BST (UK) »
Isabella Oliver born abt 1809 Hobkirk or Jedburgh Roxburgh
Last seen in 1891 census in Clyne

Possible Death for Isabella (Oliver) MacKay
1894 in Clyne. Age 84. Mother’s name - Walker
Milligan - Jardine – Glencross – Dinwoodie - Brown: (Dumfriesshire & Kirkcudbrightshire)
Clark – Faulds – Cuthbertson – Bryson – Wilson: (Ayrshire & Renfrewshire)
Neale – Cater – Kinder - Harrison: (Warwickshire & Queensland)
Roberts - Spry: (Cornwall, Middlesex & Queensland)
Munster: (Schleswig-Holstein & Queensland) and Plate: (Braunschweig, Neubruck & Queensland & New York)

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Re: Jessie Mckay's birth
« Reply #15 on: Thursday 21 September 23 09:18 BST (UK) »
You have it correct
Yes Hugh's first wife was Ann Murray
then he marries Jessie MacKay or McKay

I'm trying to sort out a relationship with a young girl in New Zealand who thinks we are related
she has Mackenzie mine are without the A. Through the years Ive had problems with this but I do know when my families have emigrated to America ,Canada and New Zealand how their surnames change.
Thank you for all this that seems a good site
Elizabeth
McKenzie,Helmsdale.,Mackay's,Gordon's,Polsons,Sutherland's,Loth & N/Z .Watson ,Munro,Pitsligo.Black. Harle ,East Hollywell.Black,and Short East Hollywell.Northumberland Gair, Amble,Douglas,Amble,Mitchell ,Fettercairns,Lyall, Brechin .Mearns Brechin.Thompson's ,Spittal. Maghie,Young .Raey Cumberland & Newcastle & Glasgow .Gilroy, Northumberland. Stark's Kyloe & Tweedmouth .Skeen's Tweedmouth.Gregsons Northumberland & America. Andrew Farmer Turnbull Berwick , Pool and Black Hull.Lounton Tweedmouth

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Re: Jessie Mckay's birth
« Reply #16 on: Thursday 21 September 23 09:38 BST (UK) »
I'm trying to sort out a relationship with a young girl in New Zealand who thinks we are related
she has Mackenzie mine are without the A.
Whether it is spelled with or without the a is of no significance until you get to the very late 19th century. Before that - and even afterwards to a lesser extent - spelling of names was not fixed, and there was no such thing as 'correct' spelling.

It's quite common to find the same person's surname spelled in different ways in the same document.
Never trust anything you find online (especially submitted trees and transcriptions on Ancestry, MyHeritage, FindMyPast and other commercial web sites) unless it's an image of an original document - and even then be wary because errors can and do occur.

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Re: Jessie Mckay's birth
« Reply #17 on: Thursday 21 September 23 10:01 BST (UK) »
Good morning Forfarian
I understand this I believe you told me this a few years back
Ive explained this to my relative in New Zealand
When I went to the genealogy class about 2006 our teacher told us its the dialect we have 
I'm in Northumberland and found this with a relative
Mary Ann Hall but states Harle my father in law spoke like this
Elizabeth ;D
McKenzie,Helmsdale.,Mackay's,Gordon's,Polsons,Sutherland's,Loth & N/Z .Watson ,Munro,Pitsligo.Black. Harle ,East Hollywell.Black,and Short East Hollywell.Northumberland Gair, Amble,Douglas,Amble,Mitchell ,Fettercairns,Lyall, Brechin .Mearns Brechin.Thompson's ,Spittal. Maghie,Young .Raey Cumberland & Newcastle & Glasgow .Gilroy, Northumberland. Stark's Kyloe & Tweedmouth .Skeen's Tweedmouth.Gregsons Northumberland & America. Andrew Farmer Turnbull Berwick , Pool and Black Hull.Lounton Tweedmouth