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H & T Ladders
« on: Thursday 21 September 23 00:05 BST (UK) »
In a sale of farm equipment in 1940, H & T Ladders are on the list in the local newspaper.

Anyone any idea what H & T is short for?   (Someone has suggested Hay and Thatch but .....)

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Re: H & T Ladders
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 21 September 23 06:27 BST (UK) »
3 Waggons with H & T Ladders

Wagons with Ladders, referring to the construction of the wagon.
The wagons on the links below have "end ladders"

https://www.reading.ac.uk/adlib/images/objects/60s/62_513_img_001.jpg

http://greatbarns.org.uk/barnsbytype/carts_cartsheds.html

These wagons were used for carrying hay, so the H & T could still mean Hay & Thatch.


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Re: H & T Ladders
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 21 September 23 07:34 BST (UK) »
Hi, Tony

Thank-you for those links.

I like that idea, and it fits with hay, but I have not yet found a single example of thatch explicitly stated anywhere transported in such a vehicle. 

I did not want to mislead by suggesting Hay & Thatch - any other suggestions, anyone?

Added: Just seen elsewhere an assumption that it stands for 'head and tail' - with no examples.  However I quite like that because those links are to ones with ladders at both ends.

Added: Those waggons : the front is known as the head board, and the back as the tail board.

http://england.prm.ox.ac.uk/englishness-Oxfordshire-waggons.html

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Re: H & T Ladders
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 21 September 23 11:00 BST (UK) »
I can't see any references to hay and thatch ladders, however there are many references to head and tail ladders in old newspapers.

eg Friday,  Oct. 9, 1925
Publication: Western Gazette

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Re: H & T Ladders
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 21 September 23 11:06 BST (UK) »
Ladders: A gate like frame fitted to the front and rear of a waggon as an extension to carry larger loads at harvest time.

Tail board: at the end of the bed, in many cases this was formed into a ladder for easy access to the waggon.

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Re: H & T Ladders
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 21 September 23 11:09 BST (UK) »
stoke on trent. carson,wain,leese,shaw,key,scalley,mitchell,<br />james,<br /> nottingham,pollard,grice,<br />derbyshire,vallands,turton,howe.<br /> new zealand,turton<br /> canada,carson.<br />australia,mitchell,scalley,<br />

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Re: H & T Ladders
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 21 September 23 11:10 BST (UK) »
The ladders are there,then removed to make a flat bed ..
stoke on trent. carson,wain,leese,shaw,key,scalley,mitchell,<br />james,<br /> nottingham,pollard,grice,<br />derbyshire,vallands,turton,howe.<br /> new zealand,turton<br /> canada,carson.<br />australia,mitchell,scalley,<br />

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Re: H & T Ladders
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 21 September 23 12:36 BST (UK) »
Yes, once one starts looking for head and tail ladders in the newspapers then a lot appear. 
When I tried looking for H & T ladders I think I just found lots of mis-prints/mis-transcriptions (frequently of the word 'but'.)
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