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Missing pub and houses 1939 Register
« on: Friday 22 September 23 17:34 BST (UK) »
Hi everyone,

I didn't think there were any missing pieces of the 1939 Register, but I can't find a section of New Compton Street in Holborn, specifically what was once the Rose and Denmark pub at no. 36., or the houses either side.

A Findmypast address search has a few numbers up to 12, and then from 43 upwards. There is also a mysterious blank page.

https://search.findmypast.co.uk/record?id=TNA%2FR39%2F0254%2F0254H%2F016&parentid=TNA%2FR39%2F0254%2F0254H%2F016%2F31

A keyword search on Ancestry and The Genealogist also only produced the same pages.

I know the person I'm searching for lived at the pub as she was there in 1921 and died there in the late 1940s, so she must be there somewhere for the NHS central register, but a search for all variants of her name, and a walk through the pages on Findmypast around New Compton Street draws a blank.

Numbers up to 12 appear on sheet AKON 13-1 Holborn and numbers from 43 onwards on sheet AKOO 13-1 Holborn, so it doesn't look like there is a sheet missing, unless there's some pages missing from the end of AKON.

Is there something obvious I'm missing?!

Any advice would be welcome  :)


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Re: Missing pub and houses 1939 Register
« Reply #1 on: Friday 22 September 23 19:17 BST (UK) »
1940 PO London Directory
New Compton Street
South-East Side
Entries for (some) numbers, 3-24

North-West Side
Entries for numbers from 42-71

1939 Electoral Register
Central St. Giles Ward, Polling District B
New Compton Street
Numbers 4/5 - 25
Then 42 - 71

So very similar to the directory.

Numbers 31-39 New Compton Street were listed on the 1931 electoral register.
Still there in 1935.
But gone in 1936! Some of the residents of those numbers can be found at other addresses in 1936/7.
Perhaps those missing houses had been demolished?

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Re: Missing pub and houses 1939 Register
« Reply #2 on: Friday 22 September 23 20:59 BST (UK) »
That's brilliant sleuthing! Thank you so much for doing that.

What is weird is that her death certificate in 1949 says 36 New Compton Street, which is the same address as I have for her on the 1921 census.

And I can't find her anywhere else in 1939!

Perhaps we have a row of invisible houses  ;D

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Re: Missing pub and houses 1939 Register
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 23 September 23 10:48 BST (UK) »
Hi
Have you got her on any post war electoral registers before her death?
1948 has New Compton Street in Central St Giles Ward, Polling District B
Numbers 7, 8 9, 42-68


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Re: Missing pub and houses 1939 Register
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 23 September 23 11:06 BST (UK) »
Who are you looking for? Is it Alice Starnes?
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Re: Missing pub and houses 1939 Register
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 23 September 23 12:53 BST (UK) »
Alice Starnes most likely died at St Bernard's Hospital, Southall (formerly Hanwell asylum), in 1949, age 80.
She is there in the 1939 Register.
Alice Starnes born 1868 is at 36 New Compton Street in the 1921 census, according to the free index (schedule 377)

If it's the same person, the address they were admitted from may possibly be on the death certificate, "of 36 New Compton Street", or something like that. The admission would have been some way back though.

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Re: Missing pub and houses 1939 Register
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 23 September 23 21:47 BST (UK) »
(Sorry for delayed reply - I didn't see the notifications!)

Yes that's her, thank you soooo much! You're absolutely right, that would have been the address they had on her admission, which must have been before 1936 when the pub was probably demolished, hence it not appearing in the directories/electoral regs.

I knew there had to be an explanation. I was puzzling over it all day today!

You guys are great  :)