Author Topic: Kearns family  (Read 863 times)

Offline Abhanliath

  • RootsChat Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 152
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Kearns family
« on: Thursday 28 September 23 15:09 BST (UK) »
I'm looking at the family of Joseph John Kearns, and have misplaced a couple of them. JJ was one of the three sons of bookbinder Thomas Kearns and Margaret Kearns, née O'Brien, who married in 1890. They had these three lads: JJ, Francis Joseph and Hubert Wolfe Tone, and then disaster struck: Thomas died in 1899 of enteric fever.
In the 1911 census Margaret, JJ, Frank and Hubert are again together.
1911 census of Ireland: http://census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Dublin/Rotunda/Sherrard_Street__Lower/52670/
But in the 1901 census, Frank, aged 10, seems to be in the O'Brien Institute
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/O%27Brien_Institute
an orphanage in Marino, north Dublin
1901 census of Ireland: http://census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Dublin/Clontarf_West/Marino/1271228/
and JJ, aged seven, in the Vincent de Paul orphanage in Glasnevin:
https://www.childrenshomes.org.uk/GlasnevinStVincent/
1901 census of Ireland: http://census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Dublin/Glasnevin/St__Vincent_de_Paul_School__Prospect_Road/1273278/
This was not unusual at the time: if a family lost a breadwinner the surviving parent was often "encouraged" to send one or more children to orphanages "temporarily" so that the parent could "get back on their feet". (Often, those children would be hired out to farmers when they got older, supposedly to learn a trade, but in fact often as child slaves.)
Now, what I'm wondering is where Margaret and the baby, Hubert (or later Hugh) went in between 1899, when her husband died, and 1911, when she had, unusually, succeeded in reuniting her family, and was living with them in 18 Sherrard Street, only steps away from where she and Thomas started their married life, in 6 Sherrard Avenue. (Hubert was born and Thomas died in 40 North Summer Street.)
Could they have left the country? I can't see them anywhere in  Ireland in the 1901 census.



Offline Sinann

  • RootsChat Marquessate
  • *******
  • Posts: 10,851
    • View Profile
Re: Kearns family
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 28 September 23 22:57 BST (UK) »

Offline dublin1850

  • RootsChat Veteran
  • *****
  • Posts: 910
  • A great lover of Dublin history
    • View Profile
Re: Kearns family
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 28 September 23 23:08 BST (UK) »
Well done Sinann, I keep reminding myself to do this for 'strays'.
Coffey, Cummins [Rathfalla, Tipperary], Cummins [Skirke, Laois], Curran, Dillon [Clare], Fogarty [Garran, Laois/Tipp], Hughes, Keshan (Keeshan), Loughman [Harristown and Killadooley, Laois], Mallon [Armagh], Malone, Markham [Caherkine, Clare], McKeon(e) [Sligo/Kilkenny/Waterford], McNamara, Meagher, Prescott [Kilkenny/Waterford/Wexford?], Rafferty, Ryan, Sullivan, Tobin
GEDMatch: T665306 tested with Family Tree DNA and also with ancestry
GEDCOM file: 1980344

Offline gaffy

  • RootsChat Marquessate
  • *******
  • Posts: 4,908
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Re: Kearns family
« Reply #3 on: Friday 29 September 23 07:19 BST (UK) »
Excellent stuff Sinann, checking for a forename / surname switch is something that I usually forget until I've exhausted myself searching and then kick myself for not trying earlier when I get back the desired result.

The names in both 153.1 and 153.2 in Great Britain Street were switched this way, but 153.3 and 153.4 were correctly completed.  When I therefore looked for some sort of connection between the folk in 153.1 and 153.2, I noticed the handwriting in both returns had similarities, for example, in the way the letter 'K' was distinctly formed, so it made me wonder if the same person completed them.  Anyhow, when I realised that 153.2 was an O'Brien family, I remembered Abhanliath mentioned that Margaret was an O'Brien.  Margaret's 1890 marriage registration named her father as John O'Brien, could it be that these folk in 153.2 were Margaret's parents and siblings? It would make sense in the circumstances of her having been widowed.

153.1: http://census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai003768155/
153.2: http://census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai003768157/



Offline Abhanliath

  • RootsChat Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 152
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Re: Kearns family
« Reply #4 on: Friday 29 September 23 09:10 BST (UK) »
Wow. Just wow. What an idiot I am! Thank you very, very much, Sinann!

Offline Abhanliath

  • RootsChat Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 152
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Re: Kearns family
« Reply #5 on: Friday 29 September 23 09:31 BST (UK) »
I wonder if the numbering has changed. Today, 43 Parnell Street is the Rotunda Hospital.
In the 1904 Thom's, No 43 Great Britain Street (later renamed to Parnell Street) is listed as Keegan's grocery and wine merchant (ie pub/grocery). 153 then was listed as tenements.
Edit: the Rotunda Lying-in Hospital is listed in the 1904 Thom's at No 165 Great Britain Street, and at the same number is the Rotunda Public and Concert Rooms.

Offline Maggsie

  • RootsChat Aristocrat
  • ******
  • Posts: 1,633
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Re: Kearns family
« Reply #6 on: Friday 29 September 23 10:01 BST (UK) »
Has anyone corrected this............
http://census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Dublin/Rotunda/Great_Britain_Street/1330646/
First names are in the Surname column

Offline Sinann

  • RootsChat Marquessate
  • *******
  • Posts: 10,851
    • View Profile
Re: Kearns family
« Reply #7 on: Friday 29 September 23 10:13 BST (UK) »
Wow. Just wow. What an idiot I am! Thank you very, very much, Sinann!

Not an idiot at all, it's one we all learn at some point but as others have said we tend to forget until all other options are exhausted, just pure luck I tried it.

Offline Sinann

  • RootsChat Marquessate
  • *******
  • Posts: 10,851
    • View Profile
Re: Kearns family
« Reply #8 on: Friday 29 September 23 10:16 BST (UK) »
Has anyone corrected this............
http://census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Dublin/Rotunda/Great_Britain_Street/1330646/
First names are in the Surname column

It's correctly transcribed so there is nothing to correct.