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Offline Abhanliath

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Re: Kearns family
« Reply #9 on: Friday 29 September 23 10:16 BST (UK) »
I'm so grateful!

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Re: Kearns family
« Reply #10 on: Friday 29 September 23 10:17 BST (UK) »
Excellent stuff Sinann, checking for a forename / surname switch is something that I usually forget until I've exhausted myself searching and then kick myself for not trying earlier when I get back the desired result.

The names in both 153.1 and 153.2 in Great Britain Street were switched this way, but 153.3 and 153.4 were correctly completed.  When I therefore looked for some sort of connection between the folk in 153.1 and 153.2, I noticed the handwriting in both returns had similarities, for example, in the way the letter 'K' was distinctly formed, so it made me wonder if the same person completed them.  Anyhow, when I realised that 153.2 was an O'Brien family, I remembered Abhanliath mentioned that Margaret was an O'Brien.  Margaret's 1890 marriage registration named her father as John O'Brien, could it be that these folk in 153.2 were Margaret's parents and siblings? It would make sense in the circumstances of her having been widowed.

153.1: http://census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai003768155/
153.2: http://census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai003768157/



Nice work, looks good.

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Re: Kearns family
« Reply #11 on: Friday 29 September 23 10:23 BST (UK) »
I was mooching around the births and did find a Margaret O'Brien or Brien born to a John, cooper, but I'm tired out and dismissed it because I hadn't looked closely at the Tipp-born putative father, and thought his census also said shopkeeper… 

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Re: Kearns family
« Reply #12 on: Friday 29 September 23 10:24 BST (UK) »
Has anyone corrected this............
http://census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Dublin/Rotunda/Great_Britain_Street/1330646/
First names are in the Surname column

It's correctly transcribed so there is nothing to correct.

Now corrected, but will take a while for the search engine to be updated...........not everyone looks at the return forms.
Any that I see that are not correct I send the correction.


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Re: Kearns family
« Reply #13 on: Friday 29 September 23 10:48 BST (UK) »
The transcriber transcribed the form as it was filled in, that is the rule, they are not allowed to make corrections just because they know there is an error on the form.
Corrections are only for errors by the transcriber not for errors by the person filling in the original form.
John Grenham did the corrections put in place so far and mention this problem.
https://www.johngrenham.com/blog/2019/03/25/my-census-correcting-comes-to-an-end/

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Re: Kearns family
« Reply #14 on: Friday 29 September 23 13:57 BST (UK) »
Guess where the O'Briens in 1901 at 153.2 Great Britain Street turned out to be in 1911?

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Dublin/Rotunda/Sherrard_Street__Lower/52650/

Yes, house 18.1 in Sherrard Street Lower (once again, cheek by jowl with Margaret Kearns and children at 18.3). Note, 52 years married, 10 children born, 10 still living.


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Re: Kearns family
« Reply #15 on: Friday 29 September 23 14:11 BST (UK) »
Tracking back the O'Brien children in the census returns seems to be pointing towards a mother called Margaret Graham, for now I'll offer up the following possibilities for Margaret junior's birth and her parent's marriage (John's surname in the marriage record as 'Brien')... until anyone can come up with something better:

Birth in 1868 (father's occupation 'porter', so just a maybe):
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1868/03455/2268515.pdf

Marriage in 1859 (St. Mary's Pro Cathedral, entry no. 57 on page):
https://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/display-pdf.jsp?pdfName=st.mary%27s-pro-cath_mf_1800-1862_ma_0583


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Re: Kearns family
« Reply #16 on: Friday 29 September 23 14:21 BST (UK) »

Great sleuthing, gaffy  8)


Researching: Cuthbertson – Co. Derry, Scotland & Australia; Hunter – Co. Derry; Jackson – Co. Derry, Scotland & Canada; Scott – Co. Derry; Neilly – Co. Antrim & USA; McCurdy – Co. Antrim; Nixon – Co. Cavan, Co. Donegal, Canada & USA; Ryan & Noble – Co. Sligo

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Re: Kearns family
« Reply #17 on: Friday 29 September 23 19:34 BST (UK) »

... for now I'll offer up the following possibilities for Margaret junior's birth ...

Birth in 1868 (father's occupation 'porter', so just a maybe):
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1868/03455/2268515.pdf


I've just realised from other information I've since seen, that the occupation 'porter' isn't inconsistent, for it was probably a wine porter.