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Help needed to decipher WWI Military Service Record in French
« on: Tuesday 03 October 23 22:49 BST (UK) »
Hello Rootschatters,

I am working on a WWI mililtary service record that is in French.  There are quite a few areas that I'm having trouble deciphering so I've attached the section in its entirety.  In the next paragraph of this post I've set out my interpretation so far.  Any help is greatly appreciated.

"Classe dans l'affectation special Du chemin de ser de Gassa
counsel sans - elsef? de cemtan? le 29 Mars 31 ? Metlaris?

ANTECEDENTS JUDICIAIRES ET CONDAMNATIONS.

Condamné par le conseil de guerre maritime a la flottille des torpilleurs de bizerte le 21 febrier 1919 a 2 ans de prison au frais enver? l'Etat a la confiscation des sommes dues par l'Etat [illegile word] des parts de prises qui farmaient? lese revenir, on minimum? de la desree? de contrainte was? corps desertion à l'Ersursell en temps de guerre et absent volombirannent? et illéqaulement de Isanbord
la Mahamed Metlani du 23 Mai 1918 on 24 Octobre 1918 yerir? de son. arrestation par les police de bizerte.
Execution le 29 avril pour compter du 24 octobre 1918"
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DVN-Bickle.Doble.Harris.Hill.Nrthcte
KEN-Austen.Bodeker.Collard.Dodd.Duncan.Eaton.Gregry.Hammnd.Herman.Hills.Hodgs.Ivysn.
James.Kemp.Milstd.Nut.Owlet.Ruck.Spilet.Terry.Tilby.Thmsn.Walker
SOM-Baker.Clatworthy.Linton.Parker.Smith.Stone.Twose
ABD-Barclay.Cruickshank.McKenzie.Shepherd.Club
LKS-Douglas.Gunn.Turner
MLN-Dicks/Dickson.Duff.Lindsay.Young
SHI-Bain.Cluness.Fordyce.Gray.Petrie
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Re: Help needed to decipher WWI Military Service Record in French
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 04 October 23 08:41 BST (UK) »
Classe dans l'affectation special Du chemin de ser de Gassa
counsel sans - elsef? de cemtan? le 29 Mars 31 ? Metlaris?

Condamné par le conseil de guerre maritime a la flottille des torpilleurs de bizerte le 21 febrier 1919 a 2 ans de prison au frais enver? l'Etat a la confiscation des sommes dues par l'Etat [illegile word] des parts de prises qui farmaient? lese revenir, on minimum? de la desree? de contrainte was? corps desertion à l'Ersursell en temps de guerre et absent volombirannent? et illéqaulement de Isanbord
la Mahamed Metlani du 23 Mai 1918 on 24 Octobre 1918 yerir? de son. arrestation par les police de bizerte.
Execution le 29 avril pour compter du 24 octobre 1918"

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Classé ......chemin de fer de Gafsa... comme sous-chef de canton .... Metlani? ( Tunisie),

Le 21 février........aux frais envers l'Etat et des parts de prises qui pourraient lui revenir....au minimum de la durée de contrainte  de corps,  à l'Ersange ...volontairement et illégalement de son bord ...jour de son arrestation par la police de Bizerte

Must check the place names

De son bord La Mahomed Metlani ? Could be the name of the ship

Ersange is a town in Luxembourg


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Re: Help needed to decipher WWI Military Service Record in French
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 04 October 23 20:32 BST (UK) »
town is Métlaoui
I took the liberty to rewrite the text with Joger's suggestions.

Classé dans l'affectation special du chemin de fer de Gafsa
comme sous-chef de canton le 29 Mars 31 Métlaoui (Tunisie)

Condamné par le conseil de guerre maritime à la flottille des torpilleurs
de Bizerte le 21 Février 1919 à 2 ans de prison au frais enver l'Etat à la confiscation
des sommes dues par l'Etat et des parts de prises qui pourraient lui revenir,
au minimum de la durée de contrainte par corps. Désertion à l'Ersange
en temps de guerre et absent volontairement et illégalement de son bord
la Mahamed Metlani du 23 Mai 1918 au 24 Octobre 1918, jour de son
arrestation par la police de Bizerte.
Exécution le 29 Avril pour compter du 24 Octobre 1918

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Re: Help needed to decipher WWI Military Service Record in French
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 04 October 23 21:43 BST (UK) »
Hi, Joger and Zefiro,

Thank you so much for each of your inputs.  All are equally important and helpful.

Joger as soon as I saw your interpretation of those pesky words, I immediately saw the same text. 

Zefiro, thank you for putting it all together for me.

CRN-Hocking
DVN-Bickle.Doble.Harris.Hill.Nrthcte
KEN-Austen.Bodeker.Collard.Dodd.Duncan.Eaton.Gregry.Hammnd.Herman.Hills.Hodgs.Ivysn.
James.Kemp.Milstd.Nut.Owlet.Ruck.Spilet.Terry.Tilby.Thmsn.Walker
SOM-Baker.Clatworthy.Linton.Parker.Smith.Stone.Twose
ABD-Barclay.Cruickshank.McKenzie.Shepherd.Club
LKS-Douglas.Gunn.Turner
MLN-Dicks/Dickson.Duff.Lindsay.Young
SHI-Bain.Cluness.Fordyce.Gray.Petrie
ASSISTANCE PROVIDED HERE IS FROM MY OWN DIRECT EXPERIENCE & NOT TO BE CONSTRUED AS LEGAL ADVICE


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Re: Help needed to decipher WWI Military Service Record in French
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 04 October 23 23:48 BST (UK) »
Hi Rootschatters

I have one more snippet from another WWI French Military Service Record that I need help with.  This time I have highlighted the phrase in yellow that is giving me difficulties.  I have "idiotie sieds ....?".
Any help greatly appreciated.
CRN-Hocking
DVN-Bickle.Doble.Harris.Hill.Nrthcte
KEN-Austen.Bodeker.Collard.Dodd.Duncan.Eaton.Gregry.Hammnd.Herman.Hills.Hodgs.Ivysn.
James.Kemp.Milstd.Nut.Owlet.Ruck.Spilet.Terry.Tilby.Thmsn.Walker
SOM-Baker.Clatworthy.Linton.Parker.Smith.Stone.Twose
ABD-Barclay.Cruickshank.McKenzie.Shepherd.Club
LKS-Douglas.Gunn.Turner
MLN-Dicks/Dickson.Duff.Lindsay.Young
SHI-Bain.Cluness.Fordyce.Gray.Petrie
ASSISTANCE PROVIDED HERE IS FROM MY OWN DIRECT EXPERIENCE & NOT TO BE CONSTRUED AS LEGAL ADVICE

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Re: Help needed to decipher WWI Military Service Record in French
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 05 October 23 00:44 BST (UK) »
Idiotie. Pieds plats.


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Re: Help needed to decipher WWI Military Service Record in French
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 05 October 23 01:32 BST (UK) »
Thank you so much, Zefiro.

I wasn't expecting such a quick response.  But, this is great.  I tried every letter but P on the second word and the third word just had me completely lost.

I had the idiocy and was trying to make it fit with explanations such as from birth, but, of course, that would have involved the word naissance somewhere along the way.  Flat feet.  Never would have guessed.

Thank you so very much.
CRN-Hocking
DVN-Bickle.Doble.Harris.Hill.Nrthcte
KEN-Austen.Bodeker.Collard.Dodd.Duncan.Eaton.Gregry.Hammnd.Herman.Hills.Hodgs.Ivysn.
James.Kemp.Milstd.Nut.Owlet.Ruck.Spilet.Terry.Tilby.Thmsn.Walker
SOM-Baker.Clatworthy.Linton.Parker.Smith.Stone.Twose
ABD-Barclay.Cruickshank.McKenzie.Shepherd.Club
LKS-Douglas.Gunn.Turner
MLN-Dicks/Dickson.Duff.Lindsay.Young
SHI-Bain.Cluness.Fordyce.Gray.Petrie
ASSISTANCE PROVIDED HERE IS FROM MY OWN DIRECT EXPERIENCE & NOT TO BE CONSTRUED AS LEGAL ADVICE

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Re: Help needed to decipher WWI Military Service Record in French
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 05 October 23 19:13 BST (UK) »
I found this article
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7279166/

A large number of patients with Down Syndrome have problems associated with their musculoskeletal system and joints. Foot and ankle deformities are particularly recognized as common orthopedic problems in patients with Down syndrome. Flat foot is also a common orthopedic complaint for patients with Down syndrome. A previous radiographic study demonstrated that 58% of patients with Down syndrome have flat foot.

The combination of idiocy and flat feet could well mean that the person had Down syndrome.

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« Reply #8 on: Thursday 05 October 23 19:49 BST (UK) »
Yes , but life expectancy for people with a Down syndrome (called trisomiques in France ) was 9 years ´old .