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Help please - 1673 will
« on: Saturday 07 October 23 01:19 BST (UK) »
Cold anyone transcribe part of this 1673 will please?  I'd like to know what his brother-in-law's name was in particular - was it Robert Hands ?
Many thanks
Alexander, Edwards, Rutledge, Parker, Wood, Orchard, Henwood, Craig of Australia

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Re: Help please - 1673 will
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 07 October 23 03:41 BST (UK) »
I am almost sure the brother-in-law's name is Robert Heade.  Not sure about the testator himself.

I transcribe the fragment as:

"In manner and forme following. Imprimis he gives unto his Brother in Law Robert Heade his Colte and his two Cowes, and all other his goods and chattles, and called for a paire of breeches which he had in a Chest, and when they were brought to him, he the said John [Graine?] delivered the said breeches to Robert Heade aforesaid; in lieu of all the rest of his goods whatsoever. All which words or the like in effect he [..offered] declared ..."

I have seen a few wills of this vintage in which the testator is referred to in the third person.  Does he sign with a mark?

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Re: Help please - 1673 will
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 07 October 23 04:32 BST (UK) »
I think the second person's name is John Traice.
The 'c' is the same as that in 'breeches', and the first letter of his name is a 'T'.

As to Robert, I'd agree that it is an 'e' at the end of his name, and not an 's'.
Are you sure that is an 'H' at the beginning?
It's not something I've ever seen, but that's not to say it isn't some particular scribe's way of writing an H.
Does it appear anywhere else in the text?
It's obviously not a 'C' as that is distinctive in 'Cows' and 'Chest'.
What other capital letters are in the text?


Added:
This is a clip from Rootsweb (from The Society of Genealogists).  Looks to me like that capital letter is a G. So his name would be Robert Gade.
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Re: Help please - 1673 will
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 07 October 23 04:53 BST (UK) »
I came to the same conclusion as goldie regarding the brother-in-law.

Attached is a clip from a will of 1680.  Note the G in Goods.

I think the word in the last line is:  uttered

Compare the first letter to unto in line 2 - not exactly the same but it has the same basic form.


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Re: Help please - 1673 will
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 07 October 23 05:04 BST (UK) »
I have seen a few wills of this vintage in which the testator is referred to in the third person.  Does he sign with a mark?

The wording makes me think it's a nuncupative will.

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Re: Help please - 1673 will
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 07 October 23 05:55 BST (UK) »
I now agree with goldie61 and horselydown68 that the brother-in-law is Gade - the initial is very like the third example from the Rootsweb alphabet.

The word in last line being "uttered" fits with this being a nuncupative will.

Also Traice is a much better interpretation than Graine.

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Re: Help please - 1673 will
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 07 October 23 06:57 BST (UK) »
Thank you everyone for your expertise in solving the name of the brother in law - Gade.  I would never have guessed that one. 
Ancestry has that the nuncupative will was made by John Grante but the consensus seems to be that it is Traice!  I've attached the top part of the will with his name.  If it isn't Grante then he isn't one of mine!
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Alexander, Edwards, Rutledge, Parker, Wood, Orchard, Henwood, Craig of Australia

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Re: Help please - 1673 will
« Reply #7 on: Saturday 07 October 23 07:59 BST (UK) »
It isn't Grante. I would read it as Traite.

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Re: Help please - 1673 will
« Reply #8 on: Saturday 07 October 23 11:55 BST (UK) »
Agreed, Traite.
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