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Re: Looking for the death of George Gordon Wise
« Reply #9 on: Sunday 08 October 23 02:19 BST (UK) »
A very intriguing case isn't it!

The records of his wife Mary's (MSW) 1868 petition for divorce gives time-line as you say:

* In August 1866 a Mrs Martha Mary Murray , a cousin of GGW came to live with them at Webb Street (separated from her husband) and Mary began to notice "undue familiarisation" between them - she suspected & was 'told' adultery.  The quarrels led to Mrs Murray being told to leave , after which GGW became violent, ill tempered & physically abusive toward Mary and destructive to the house.

*They separated 17 Dec 1866 after GGW proposed it, and a mutual agreement was dictated by GGW which daughter Amy transcribed and GGW & MSW signed. He was to pay her 30 shillings per week for life - as long as she didn't disturb or molest him, and nor he, her.

*Mary was told in abt Nov 1866 that he was committing adultery - and did so first at Webb Street when Mary was not at home, but the children were ( Martha has put them to bed).  From abt 9 Dec 1866 Mary said GGW was living at his address at Peel Street Hotham, and cohabiting with Martha as man & wife, committing adultery,

*In June 1868 GGW was in arrears of his agreed payments, owing 21 pounds and 10 shillings and when she asked him to pay he refused and as at time of petition for divorce, has not paid anything.
On 19 Sep 1868 Mary petitioned for Divorce and it was granted October 1868. He was ordered to pay costs.

Family:
* Two surviving children at time of divorce:  Amy Louise Wise (age 17 and wife of George Jame Stearns) born Adelaide 26 Feb 1851, and Reginald Steele Wise (aged 11, born Swan River WA 9 Jan 1856)

* There were other children who died young - one was Chapman Bassett Wise (1849-1850) who appears to have been named after GGW's brother  Chapman Henry Wise, JP whose wife was Josephine Octavia Steele.
http://www.thetreeofus.net/19/175613.htm

* Amy was only 17 at time she married 24 Dec 1867 - and her groom was only 20 - both were given written consent by their respective mothers, their each fathers stated to be dead.

* GGW mother: Eliza Wise, relict of George Wise, died 4 Jun 1871 at Hobart town, aged 68

(I can see the February 1869 death of the George Wise, age 46, bookseller  - son of George Wise &  Helen Dove:  https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/149044925/george-wise )

What is intriguing though is this:


It looks as if, after George Gordon Wise was compensated for his loss of position in Swan River (per Mary's petition) that he  bought the property at Webb Street in Fitzroy, VIC?   He's  listed as the Rate payer & owner at Webb Street up until at least 9 Jan 1867:

George G Wise, Civil Service, owner, Brick 4 rooms,  Gross rates 33/16
( 'neighbour' ratepayers Flintoff, Cooley, Davis)

Then on 15 Dec 1869:
Mrs Wise , widow, owner, Brick, 3 rooms
33/16, annual Gross. Arrears 15/4
( 'neighbour' ratepayers Flintoff, Cooley, Davis)

So if he was definitely (?)  alive in June 1868 when he refused to pay Mary her due- did he die between then and December 1869? If she became the Ratepayer/owner are there records showing this change of ownership?

In the divorce, what part of all that doc, proves the respondent GGW is actually alive?  (genuine question - I might have missed it)

Re: Peel Street - it seems to be a rented 2 room house - From Trove:

At an event surrounding the attendance of the Duke of Edinburgh
23 Nov 1867. Stewards, include: Mr G. G. Wise, 28 Peel-street, Hotham

Feb 1868 - Wanted Servant Girl 12 or 14, for 28 Peel St, Hotham

23 Dec 1869 - The late Captain Thomas Devine,……..funeral from his late residence 28 Peel Street Hotham to Melbourne General Cemetery

Curious, as to what was the 1868 reference to a business?

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AMBLY

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Re: Looking for the death of George Gordon Wise
« Reply #10 on: Sunday 08 October 23 02:53 BST (UK) »
* In August 1866 a Mrs Martha Mary Murray , a cousin of GGW came to live with them at Webb Street (separated from her husband) and Mary began to notice "undue familiarisation" between them - she suspected & was 'told' adultery.  The quarrels led to Mrs Murray being told to leave , after which GGW became violent, ill tempered & physically abusive toward Mary and destructive to the house.

*They separated 17 Dec 1866 after GGW proposed it, and a mutual agreement was dictated by
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A small sideline here to expand the tale  ;D
Martha Mary Lushington? (EDIT maybe she was a GOODWIN) married Darcy Wentworth MURRAY in Launceston in 1849.

https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/36257238?searchTerm=%22%20D%27arcy%20Wentworth%20MURRAY%20martha%22~15

Martha and Darcy were separated by 1866 when she misconducted herself in Launceston with a man named Gwynne and Darcy was helplessly enraged and  stabbed him.

https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/169046124?searchTerm=%22%20D%27arcy%20Wentworth%20MURRAY%20martha%22~15

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Re: Looking for the death of George Gordon Wise
« Reply #11 on: Sunday 08 October 23 02:59 BST (UK) »
"In the divorce, what part of all that doc, proves the respondent GGW is actually alive?  (genuine question - I might have missed it)"

If he was already dead, why would they need to divorce?  ;)

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Re: Looking for the death of George Gordon Wise
« Reply #12 on: Sunday 08 October 23 05:53 BST (UK) »
Evening News (Sydney, NSW : 1869 - 1931)
22 Oct 1873

MARRIAGES.
On the 28th August, at Levuka, Fiji, by the Rev W. Floyd, Darcy Wentworth Lathrop Murray, to Amelia,
daughter of the late John Berry, Esq., of Albury, New South Wales.

https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/107178359

Geelong Advertiser (Vic. : 1859 - 1929)
Thu 1 Jun 1876
Fiji papers announce the death, at the age of 43 years, of Mr D'Arcy Wentworth Murray, who expired at his residence, the Hawaiian Consulate, Levuka.etc...

https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/148911134

I'm not finding George or Martha anywhere. Maybe they left the country or changed names??


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Re: Looking for the death of George Gordon Wise
« Reply #13 on: Sunday 08 October 23 07:14 BST (UK) »


 

It looks as if, after George Gordon Wise was compensated for his loss of position in Swan River (per Mary's petition) that he  bought the property at Webb Street in Fitzroy, VIC?   He's  listed as the Rate payer & owner at Webb Street up until at least 9 Jan 1867:

George G Wise, Civil Service, owner, Brick 4 rooms,  Gross rates 33/16
( 'neighbour' ratepayers Flintoff, Cooley, Davis)

Then on 15 Dec 1869:
Mrs Wise , widow, owner, Brick, 3 rooms
33/16, annual Gross. Arrears 15/4
( 'neighbour' ratepayers Flintoff, Cooley, Davis)

So if he was definitely (?)  alive in June 1868 when he refused to pay Mary her due- did he die between then and December 1869? If she became the Ratepayer/owner are there records showing this change of ownership?


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AMBLY

Sands & McDougall's Melbourne and Suburban Directory
1868 George Gordon WISE 59 Webb St Fitzroy.
1869 George Gordon WISE 59 Webb St Fitzroy
1870 Mr WISE 59 Webb St Fitzroy

I do not know when or where Mary WISE , the ex-wife died.

But a woman of the name was probaly moving out of the address when this advertisement was placed in 1884 about the sale of her furniture at 59 Webb.

https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/6048079?searchTerm=%22mary%20wise%20%20%22

She was recorded in the rate books as living at and owning the address up until that time

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Re: Looking for the death of George Gordon Wise
« Reply #14 on: Sunday 08 October 23 07:19 BST (UK) »
"In the divorce, what part of all that doc, proves the respondent GGW is actually alive?  (genuine question - I might have missed it)"

If he was already dead, why would they need to divorce?  ;)

 ;) to make it look like he wasn't dead..........?  (AMBLY who watches too many thrillers with plot twists)
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Re: Looking for the death of George Gordon Wise
« Reply #15 on: Sunday 08 October 23 07:29 BST (UK) »
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/58432729?searchTerm=%22Reginald%20Steele%20Wise%22
7 Aug 1885
TRANSFER OF LAND STATUTE. REGINALD STEELE WISE, of Webb street, Fitzroy

That's the son. Not sure what all that means sorry, but though it interesting to note!

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Re: Looking for the death of George Gordon Wise
« Reply #16 on: Sunday 08 October 23 08:11 BST (UK) »
Interesting .....And as noted above, Mrs Wise  had  cleared her things out in 1884


So had we noted this yet?
Mr WISE of Webb Street had this deceased brother in 1863.  Probably Reginald's brother 
His name was Captain Harcourt Stein Wise. Aged 26. He died in the West Indies

https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/6485333?searchTerm=%22mrs%20wise%20fitzroy%22~14

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Re: Looking for the death of George Gordon Wise
« Reply #17 on: Monday 09 October 23 00:51 BST (UK) »
I am so grateful for your assistance - great researching!
I will digest, and respond......
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