Who was Emma Chapman b 1843, wife of Walter Edwards

[goldfinch99]

In 1863 Emma Chapman married Walter Edwards.  Both aged 20 on the marriage cert.

My problem is in locating Emma before her marriage.

Her father was Charles Curtis Chapman, aka Charles Chapman, aka Curtis Chapman, a watchmaker/jeweller.  My Emma was his third daughter called Emma, and all three survived to get married, but they each had different mothers.

Emma Chapman b 1841 is in the census records  with his father's wife Ann, who I think was Ann Herbert who he married in 1839.

The other Emma shows up on censuses at 6 yrs old as Emma Chapmanbury, but her marriage cert lists Charles as her father.

My DNA shows I am related to both my Emma (Edwards) and to the Emma Chapman daughter of Ann whose married name was Emma Short. This is the Emma on the census with Ann and other children Amelia and Charles Curtis jr.

Emma Short had a brother named after his father, Charles Curtis Chapman, and he married Ann Edwards, sister of Walter Edwards who married my Emma.

I found a good tree on A that said Charles sr b 1801 had an earlier marriage to Mary Ann that produced two sons, Curtis and Willis.  And that Charles 1801 was the son of Willis Chapman, a surgeon from Lincoln who married Mary Jane Charlotte Warner in London in 1787.

I an struggling with the search function on A to turn up records for all these things, probably in part due to Charles using the aka's

I doubt it's possible, but I would be so grateful if anyone can help me find out about Emma. And also to find out more about Charles Curtis Chapman b 1801, d 1851.

Thanks!

[amondg]

GRO Index has an Emma Chapman registered Whitechapel 1841 June Quarter Vol 2 page 521

with mother's maiden name Herbert.

If you get a digital image the cost is £2.50. PDF is £7.00

It will give you and address of where they were living when she was born. You can check electoral rolls for Charles and his wife at that address or directories.
It may have the occupation of the father.

[goldfinch99]

GRO Index has an Emma Chapman registered Whitechapel 1841 June Quarter Vol 2 page 521

with mother's maiden name Herbert.

If you get a digital image the cost is £2.50. PDF is £7.00

It will give you and address of where they were living when she was born. You can check electoral rolls for Charles and his wife at that address or directories.
It may have the occupation of the father.

Oooh thanks!  That's the Emma from the census and confirms Ann Herbert's name.  This is the Emma who became Emma Short though, not the one who married Walter Edwards.

Mine was born around 1843 according to her marriage cert.

[Cas (stallc)]

I think you may have confused 2 brothers? One Curtis and the other Charles

Parents marriage
Willis Chapman
Marriage Date   21 Oct 1787
Marriage Place   Saint Alfege, Greenwich: Greenwich Church Street, Greenwich, England
Spouse   Mary Jane Charlotte Warner
Register Type   Parish Register

Baptisms for children of couple

Salome Chapman
Baptism Date   1791
Parent 1   Willis Chapman
Parent 2   Mary Jane Charlotte Chapman
Parish   Christchurch, County   Newgate, London

Curtis Chapman
Birth Date   5 Aug 1801
Baptism Date   7 Oct 1802
Baptism Place   St. Dunstan-in-the-West, London, England
Father   Willis Chapman
Mother   Mary Jane Charlotte Chapman
FHL Film Number   396204
Reference ID   Vol 2/1802

Charles Elphiston Chapman
Birth Date   9 May 1804
Baptism Date   8 Aug 1804
Baptism Place   St. Dunstan-in-the-West, London, England
Father   Willis Chapman
Mother   Mary Jane Charlotte Chapman
FHL Film Number   396204
Reference ID   Vol 2/1804

Maybe other baptisms not checked

Cas

[Cas (stallc)]

Possible marriages -  Images online

Curtis Chapman
Marriage Date   2 May 1824
Marriage Place   Saint John At Hackney, Hackney: Lower Clapton Road, Hackney, England
Spouse   Charlotte Hill
Register Type   Parish Register

Curtis Chapman - widower
Marriage Date   26 Aug 1839
Marriage Place   Saint Leonard, Shoreditch: Shoreditch High Street, Hackney, England
Father   Willis Chapman
Spouse   Ann Herbert
Register Type   Parish Register

Cas

[goldfinch99]

Thank you for those Cas!

Charles Curtis was baptised as Curtis, which would explain why he's called Curtis in his first marriage and only later switches to Charles Curtis or Charles.  I don't know why he adds or alternates with Charles though.  Unless maybe some of these marriages are concurrent as he does appear to have two living wives called Ann in 1851

Name:   
Curtis
Exact
Chapman
Exact
Gender:   
Male
Exact
Birth Date:   
5 Aug 1801
Same Year
Baptism Date:   
7 Oct 1802
Baptism Place:   
St. Dunstan-in-the-West, London, England
Father:   
Willis
Exact
Chapman
Mother:   
Mary Jane Charlotte Chapman

[amondg]

When Charles Curtis Chapman shoe maker full age marries Ann Edwards full age 16 July 1855 St John of Jerusalem Hackney

His father is Charles Chapman - watch maker
Her father James Edwards - brush maker

Witness James Edwards and Emma Maria Chapman

If this is his step sister she would be 15 is this old enough to sign a register?

[goldfinch99]

I'll ave to check the other marriage certificates to see the exact name they put for the father, but I think the father's profession was always either watch maker, watch spring maker, or jeweller, which is why I thought it was one man using aliases.

[goldfinch99]

When Charles Curtis Chapman shoe maker full age marries Ann Edwards full age 16 July 1855 St John of Jerusalem Hackney

His father is Charles Chapman - watch maker
Her father James Edwards - brush maker

Witness James Edwards and Emma Maria Chapman

If this is his step sister she would be 15 is this old enough to sign a register?

See that's the thing Charles Curtis jr is in the same household in the 1851 census with Emma b 1841.  And there's a triple baptism that I can't clearly read the dates of birth that happens in 1845 for Amelia, Charles Curtis, and Emma.