Who was Emma Chapman b 1843, wife of Walter Edwards

[goldfinch99]

What a conundrum 

1861 Civil parish   Shoreditch
Piece 249, Folio 12, Page number   17

Ann Chapman 50 Head - states married
Emma Thos Chapman 20   Daughter married  - image states Short

Same address as on her marriage.  So Emma Short nee Chapman b 1841 is the one with Ann as mother.

Do you have Emma Edwards nee Chapman b1843 on census....any clues?

Cas

I don't, no. Nothing until her marriage.

[Cas (stallc)]

1861 Emma Short is with mother Ann b1841 age 20

1861 Your Emma age 17 is likely in household of Charles Curtis Chapman Jnr & family, as sister. Likely  met or introduced to her future husband as he is related to wife of CC jnr.

Not spotted her in 1851

They are separate women and can be followed on census after marriage. Maybe Charles Curtis senior and Ann separated and Emma b 1843 was the result of a new relationship.

There has to be separate mothers for both to be called Emma?

[goldfinch99]

1861 Emma Short is with mother Ann b1841 age 20

1861 Your Emma age 17 is likely in household of Charles Curtis Chapman Jnr & family, as sister. Likely  met or introduced to her future husband as he is related to wife of CC jnr.

Not spotted her in 1851

They are separate women and can be followed on census after marriage. Maybe Charles Curtis senior and Ann separated and Emma b 1843 was the result of a new relationship.

There has to be separate mothers for both to be called Emma?

I don't think I ever looked at charles c jr's '61 census.  Thanks! What a complicated family structure.

[Cas (stallc)]

Yes quite complicated 

Court case Curtis was robbed

Name   Curtis Chapman
Gender   Male
Occupation   Watch Spring Maker
Court Date   7 Apr 1825
Court Place   London, England
Role   victim
Collection   Proceedings of the Old Bailey
ID   t18250407-25-victim232
Reference Number   t18250407-25
URL   http://www.oldbaileyonline.org/browse.jsp?div=t18250407-25
 

[goldfinch99]

Yes, he had quite a lot of money on him! And hopefully he was being truthful when he said the baby wasn't his lol

[Cas (stallc)]

There also seems to be a son Willis

Name   Willis Chapman
Gender   Male
Record Type   Baptism
Baptism Date   5 Oct 1828
Baptism Place   St Sepulchre, Holborn, City of London, England
Father   Gurty Chapman. Image is Curtis occ. Watchmaker
Mother   Mary Chapman
Register Type   Parish Register

[goldfinch99]

Is there any chance you can see a potential birth registration or baptism for my Emma. One of the older sisters wasn't baptised as a child and had to be  baptised right before her marriage, so if there is a baptism it might be from when she's older? But who would stand in for the father if he's deceased at the time of an adult baptism?

[jonw65]

Possible second family?
1851, Shoreditch
24 Edward Street
Emma Chapman Head W 41 Shoe Binder Middx Chelsea
Charles Chapman Son U 18 Backgammon Board Maker Middlesex Shoreditch
Emily Chapman Daur 8 Middlesex Shoreditch

1841, Shoreditch
Richards Place
Emma Chapman 32 Shoe Binder Yes (born county)
Charles Chapman 8 Yes
Henry Chapman 2

Would give the possiblity that the Emma Maria who witnessed Charles' marriage was his mother?

[osprey]

There's no need for either parent to be present at a baptism. Also, no need for someone to be baptised before getting married.