Mrs Lergarge of 48a London Road Bexhill on Sea, England in 1930

[softly softly]

Wondering if Henri had an older brother?


LEMOINE, JOSEPH       - 
GRO Reference: 1905  J Quarter in ST GILES  Volume 01B  Page 576

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Added

No he is not a brother, born 21st May 1905 to Angela Lemoine, died

Name   Joseph Lemoine
Gender   homme (Male)
Death Age   96
Birth Date   21 mai 1905 (21 May 1905)
Birth Place   Londres, Angleterre (England)
Death Date   23 nov. 2001 (23 Nov 2001)
Death Place   Le Havre, Seine-Maritime, France
Certificate Number   984

[WirralLad]

Hi Softly Softly and jonw65,

Many thanks for all the extra information you have given me on Henry Audley and his family.

It will take me a few days to write it all up.

Many thanks to everyone for your help.

Regards
Wirral Lad

[softly softly]

Following on from jonw65 great research re Henri's mother I wonder if this is her birth record. In 1921 census she is born 1882 France, and in 1939 (dob doesn't match), neither does death age of 83 in 1968.

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https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:6FQS-8CSD

[WirralLad]

Hi Softly Softly

Many thanks for your last message. I have a concern with regard to the link in your message below to what you believe is the  birth of Henri’s mother.

• The link tales me to the birth registration of a Marie Mathurine le Moigne.

• On the birth certificate (you attached yo one  of your messages)  for Henii his mother is recorded as Marie Lemoigne formerly Le Conte

• In the  GRO index for his second marriage to  Sybil Fogel he is recorded as having two different surnames Audley and Conte. Conte being his mother’s birth name on his birth certificate.

The above suggests to me that the birth  on the family search link is not his mother.

• In the  1921 census Mary Mathaine Tydeman gives her place of birth as Bothoa, France, I believe Bothoa is in Northern Brittany probably in the Cote du Nord department.

I would appreciate your thoughts on this

Regards
Wirral Lad

[jonw65]

Hi Wirral Lad and Softly Softly
I actually think it's another remarkable find by SS.
If I google that place I get "Bothoa is a village in Saint-Nicolas-du-Pélem".
It's in the Côtes d'Armor, which was formerly known as the as Côtes-du-Nord (I am copy pasting this!)

If we look at the record that SS found, it is from the Côtes-du-Nord, and indeed the record and image are sourced from the Côtes d'Armor.
Further, if you go back just a few images to the front of that register, it says
Department des Côtes-du-Nord
Commune de St-Nicolas-du-Pélem
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-C33G-N9YX-3

So I think it is very possible that it is the right Marie.
Remember as well that the GRO index has Lemoigne as Marie's maiden name on the birth reg of her daughter in 1916 in Sussex.

[jonw65]

birth image, think from birthdate he's our name

I do think that Henri was probably illegitimate.
The different surnames in the GRO indexes for his two marriages might also suggest this is so
1929 Audley / Lemoigne
1942 Audley / Conte

The BC says his father was Pierre Lemoigne, and Leconte was Marie's maiden name.
We don't have any marriage certificates to look at. Did Henry name a father? If so, was he Lemoigne on one certificate and Conte on the other? Or was Henry just "otherwise" Lemoigne/Conte?
And of course we don't have Marie's marriage to Mr. Tydeman, which should help. Was she a widow with a father called Conte or Leconte, or a spinster with a Lemoigne as her father.

I am wondering if the surnames of the parents were reversed on Henry's birth certificate. This did happen with some illegitimate births. The purpose being to make the child appear legitimate, whilst at the same time enabling him to have his mother's surname, by lending it to the putative father.

[softly softly]

Sadly It's not our Marie.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:6F7M-PGPQ

Parents as per birth

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[jonw65]

Oh dear SS, I wish you'd found that a bit earlier!
Can you rustle up another one from there, or even a Conte or Leconte ?

[softly softly]

Not tonight jonw, rugby takes 1st place

SS