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Re: Address/RC church questions. And Gordon (or Gordan) Street, Ringsend?
« Reply #18 on: Thursday 30 November 23 03:21 GMT (UK) »
Makes sense. I appreciate that.

There is record of an Anne Reilly, born in about 1888, who was allegedly from Kells with a father named Brian Reilly (maybe it was supposed to be spelled Bryan) who was arrested for abandoning a child in 1916.

Piecing together various bits, it sounds like she was admitted into the Dundalk workhouse in 1915, had a child there, then was discharged and took the child to the South Dublin workhouse. After she was discharged from the SDU workhouse, she abandoned the child at a place called Grosvenor Park House and a postman found the child and took her to Rathmines Police Station. When the baby was taken back to the workhouse for an examination, someone recognized the baby as the same one that had been brought in by Anne Reilly. (The baby was a female, also named Anne Reilly, and ended up dying.)

Not sure if this could be the same Anne Reilly who was the mother of Joseph. And I can’t find an Anne Reilly born to a Brian/Bryan Reilly in Kells.
 

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Re: Address/RC church questions. And Gordon (or Gordan) Street, Ringsend?
« Reply #19 on: Thursday 30 November 23 03:40 GMT (UK) »
Makes sense. I appreciate that.

There is record of an Anne Reilly, born in about 1888, who was allegedly from Kells with a father named Brian Reilly (maybe it was supposed to be spelled Bryan) who was arrested for abandoning a child in 1916.

Piecing together various bits, it sounds like she was admitted into the Dundalk workhouse in 1915, had a child there, then was discharged and took the child to the South Dublin workhouse. After she was discharged from the SDU workhouse, she abandoned the child at a place called Grosvenor Park House and a postman found the child and took it to Rathmines Police Station. When the baby was taken back to the workhouse for an examination, someone recognized the baby as the same one that had been brought in by Anne Reilly. (The baby was a female, also named Anne Reilly, and ended up dying.)

Not sure if this could be the same Anne Reilly who was the mother of Joseph. And I can’t find an Anne Reilly born to a Brian/Bryan Reilly in Kells.

There was. Kells parish registers:
Anne Reilly, born 20/8/1885, Kilmainham, Kells. Parents Bryan Reilly and Mary Meena
BRENNANx2 Davidstown/Taghmon,Ballybrennan; COOPER St.Helens;CREAN Raheennaskeagh/Ballywalter;COSGRAVE Castlebridge?;CULLEN Lady's Island;CULLETON Forth Commons;CURRAN Hillbrook, Wic;DOYLE Clonee/Tombrack;FOX Knockbrandon; FURLONG Moortown;HAYESx2 Walsheslough/Wex;McGILL Litter;MORRIS Forth Commons;PIERCE Ladys Island;POTTS Bennettstown;REDMOND Gerry; ROCHEx2 Wex; ROCHFORD Ballysampson/Ballyhit;SHERIDAN Moneydurtlow; SINNOTT Wex;SMYTH Gerry/Oulart;WALSH Kilrane/Wex; WHITE Tagoat area

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Re: Address/RC church questions. And Gordon (or Gordan) Street, Ringsend?
« Reply #20 on: Thursday 30 November 23 03:43 GMT (UK) »

There was.
Anne Reilly, born 20/8/1885, Kilmainham, Kells. Parents Bryan Reilly and Mary Meena

Kilmainham
https://www.townlands.ie/meath/upper-kells/teltown/teltown/kilmainham/
BRENNANx2 Davidstown/Taghmon,Ballybrennan; COOPER St.Helens;CREAN Raheennaskeagh/Ballywalter;COSGRAVE Castlebridge?;CULLEN Lady's Island;CULLETON Forth Commons;CURRAN Hillbrook, Wic;DOYLE Clonee/Tombrack;FOX Knockbrandon; FURLONG Moortown;HAYESx2 Walsheslough/Wex;McGILL Litter;MORRIS Forth Commons;PIERCE Ladys Island;POTTS Bennettstown;REDMOND Gerry; ROCHEx2 Wex; ROCHFORD Ballysampson/Ballyhit;SHERIDAN Moneydurtlow; SINNOTT Wex;SMYTH Gerry/Oulart;WALSH Kilrane/Wex; WHITE Tagoat area

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Re: Address/RC church questions. And Gordon (or Gordan) Street, Ringsend?
« Reply #21 on: Thursday 30 November 23 03:51 GMT (UK) »
Civil registration says Bernard rather than Bryan of parish registers, but is same birth.
Other child to same couple is also Bryan in parish registers.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1885/02637/1972767.pdf
BRENNANx2 Davidstown/Taghmon,Ballybrennan; COOPER St.Helens;CREAN Raheennaskeagh/Ballywalter;COSGRAVE Castlebridge?;CULLEN Lady's Island;CULLETON Forth Commons;CURRAN Hillbrook, Wic;DOYLE Clonee/Tombrack;FOX Knockbrandon; FURLONG Moortown;HAYESx2 Walsheslough/Wex;McGILL Litter;MORRIS Forth Commons;PIERCE Ladys Island;POTTS Bennettstown;REDMOND Gerry; ROCHEx2 Wex; ROCHFORD Ballysampson/Ballyhit;SHERIDAN Moneydurtlow; SINNOTT Wex;SMYTH Gerry/Oulart;WALSH Kilrane/Wex; WHITE Tagoat area


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BRENNANx2 Davidstown/Taghmon,Ballybrennan; COOPER St.Helens;CREAN Raheennaskeagh/Ballywalter;COSGRAVE Castlebridge?;CULLEN Lady's Island;CULLETON Forth Commons;CURRAN Hillbrook, Wic;DOYLE Clonee/Tombrack;FOX Knockbrandon; FURLONG Moortown;HAYESx2 Walsheslough/Wex;McGILL Litter;MORRIS Forth Commons;PIERCE Ladys Island;POTTS Bennettstown;REDMOND Gerry; ROCHEx2 Wex; ROCHFORD Ballysampson/Ballyhit;SHERIDAN Moneydurtlow; SINNOTT Wex;SMYTH Gerry/Oulart;WALSH Kilrane/Wex; WHITE Tagoat area

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Re: Address/RC church questions. And Gordon (or Gordan) Street, Ringsend?
« Reply #23 on: Thursday 30 November 23 04:13 GMT (UK) »
Thank you, Wexflyer! Although, it seems that we can rule that Anne Reilly as being the same one as Joseph Reilly's mother because that Anne was born in 1885. When Joseph's mother was admitted into the SDU workhouse in 1907, the age given was 18... If she had actually been 21, I don't think she would have lied to make herself seem younger under these circumstances.  ;)


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Re: Address/RC church questions. And Gordon (or Gordan) Street, Ringsend?
« Reply #24 on: Thursday 30 November 23 04:36 GMT (UK) »
Thank you, Wexflyer! Although, it seems that we can rule that Anne Reilly as being the same one as Joseph Reilly's mother because that Anne was born in 1885. When Joseph's mother was admitted into the SDU workhouse in 1907, the age given was 18... If she had actually been 21, I don't think she would have lied to make herself seem younger under these circumstances.  ;)

You are assuming that she knew how old she was. Which is not necessarily true....
BRENNANx2 Davidstown/Taghmon,Ballybrennan; COOPER St.Helens;CREAN Raheennaskeagh/Ballywalter;COSGRAVE Castlebridge?;CULLEN Lady's Island;CULLETON Forth Commons;CURRAN Hillbrook, Wic;DOYLE Clonee/Tombrack;FOX Knockbrandon; FURLONG Moortown;HAYESx2 Walsheslough/Wex;McGILL Litter;MORRIS Forth Commons;PIERCE Ladys Island;POTTS Bennettstown;REDMOND Gerry; ROCHEx2 Wex; ROCHFORD Ballysampson/Ballyhit;SHERIDAN Moneydurtlow; SINNOTT Wex;SMYTH Gerry/Oulart;WALSH Kilrane/Wex; WHITE Tagoat area

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Re: Address/RC church questions. And Gordon (or Gordan) Street, Ringsend?
« Reply #25 on: Thursday 30 November 23 04:51 GMT (UK) »
Okay, yes I was assuming she did. I know that isn't necessarily the case, though.

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Re: Address/RC church questions. And Gordon (or Gordan) Street, Ringsend?
« Reply #26 on: Thursday 30 November 23 05:21 GMT (UK) »
In the 1901 and 1911 census returns, Bryan Reilly of Kilmainham has transmuted back to Bernard again!
Anne Reilly is at home with her father in both census returns.
In particular, note the granddaughter, Annie, in the 1911 return, though all the children are unmarried. Also note that Anne's reported age is several years younger than in reality.
Annie is probable daughter of Anne, and looks like Anne had illegitimate children?

1901
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai001119259/
1911
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai003068063/
BRENNANx2 Davidstown/Taghmon,Ballybrennan; COOPER St.Helens;CREAN Raheennaskeagh/Ballywalter;COSGRAVE Castlebridge?;CULLEN Lady's Island;CULLETON Forth Commons;CURRAN Hillbrook, Wic;DOYLE Clonee/Tombrack;FOX Knockbrandon; FURLONG Moortown;HAYESx2 Walsheslough/Wex;McGILL Litter;MORRIS Forth Commons;PIERCE Ladys Island;POTTS Bennettstown;REDMOND Gerry; ROCHEx2 Wex; ROCHFORD Ballysampson/Ballyhit;SHERIDAN Moneydurtlow; SINNOTT Wex;SMYTH Gerry/Oulart;WALSH Kilrane/Wex; WHITE Tagoat area