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Re: Mary Ann Brown - unfortunately!
« Reply #18 on: Monday 18 December 23 10:14 GMT (UK) »
What was the occupation of the Thomas Brown (father of Mary Ann) on the record of her marriage to John Flett?
Berks / Oxon: Eltham, Annetts, Wiltshire (surname not county), Hawkins, Pembroke, Partridge
Dorset / Hants: Derham, Stride, Purkiss, Sibley
Yorkshire: Pottage, Carr, Blackburn, Depledge
Sussex: Goodyer, Christopher, Trevatt
Lanark: Scott (soldier went to Jersey CI)
Jersey: Fowler, Huelin, Scott

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Re: Mary Ann Brown - unfortunately!
« Reply #19 on: Monday 18 December 23 15:48 GMT (UK) »
I'm convinced that she was the daughter of Thomas Brown and Isabella Metcalf, being born on the 12th October 1835.

Isabella's father was Andrew Metcalf, and Mary Ann named one of her sons, Andrew Metcalf Brown - too much of a co-incidence.


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Re: Mary Ann Brown - unfortunately!
« Reply #20 on: Monday 18 December 23 16:00 GMT (UK) »
Did you get the marriage certificate for Mary Ann to confirm Thomas's occupation.


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I would agree with you about having the right marriage Sue  ;D.  Perhaps skinniedipper has evidence that proves otherwise.  :)
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Re: Mary Ann Brown - unfortunately!
« Reply #21 on: Monday 18 December 23 16:37 GMT (UK) »
I did see it...from the reels in my local library...I believe that he may have been a mariner. Not 100% though

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Re: Mary Ann Brown - unfortunately!
« Reply #22 on: Monday 18 December 23 22:43 GMT (UK) »
Mary Ann's father Thomas was a glass maker, the same as his father William Brown (born abt 1773 in Monkwearmouth).

William Brown married Margaret Little (born abt 1771 in Stanhope) on the 2nd of August 1794 at St Thomas the Apostle Parish Church, Stanhope.

They had ten children of which Thomas was the fourth.

Thomas and his wife Mary had five children of which Mary Ann was the last.
Researching:
Co Durham: Brown, Cole, Cunningham, Hatch, Ramsay
Essex: Young
London: Guy, Young
Berkshire: Mattingly, Bushnell
Northumberland: Brown, Cairns
Dumfriesshire: Cairns, Thomson, Carruthers, Hogg
Lanarkshire: Cairns
Hampshire: Bushel, Bushell
Australia: Forrester, Keller, Smith, Price, Murphy, Read


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Re: Mary Ann Brown - unfortunately!
« Reply #23 on: Tuesday 19 December 23 10:10 GMT (UK) »
Mary Ann's father Thomas was a glass maker,



Does this information come from the marriage record between Mary Ann Brown and John Flett?
Berks / Oxon: Eltham, Annetts, Wiltshire (surname not county), Hawkins, Pembroke, Partridge
Dorset / Hants: Derham, Stride, Purkiss, Sibley
Yorkshire: Pottage, Carr, Blackburn, Depledge
Sussex: Goodyer, Christopher, Trevatt
Lanark: Scott (soldier went to Jersey CI)
Jersey: Fowler, Huelin, Scott

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Re: Mary Ann Brown - unfortunately!
« Reply #24 on: Tuesday 19 December 23 12:11 GMT (UK) »
No, it comes from the 1841, 1851 & 1861 Census entries for Thomas Brown & his family. Mary Ann was included in those for 1841 & 1851. She married John Cursiter Flett in 1857.
In 1841 the family was in Ayres Quay, Bishopwearmouth. Thomas was a bottle manufacturer.
In 1851 they were in Hill Field, Bishopwearmouth. Thomas was a glass maker.
In 1861 they were in Back Harrison Street, Bishopwearmouth. Thomas was a glass bottle maker.

If you also look in the England Select Marriages database on Ancestry you'll find that her father was recorded as Thomas Brown.
Researching:
Co Durham: Brown, Cole, Cunningham, Hatch, Ramsay
Essex: Young
London: Guy, Young
Berkshire: Mattingly, Bushnell
Northumberland: Brown, Cairns
Dumfriesshire: Cairns, Thomson, Carruthers, Hogg
Lanarkshire: Cairns
Hampshire: Bushel, Bushell
Australia: Forrester, Keller, Smith, Price, Murphy, Read


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Re: Mary Ann Brown - unfortunately!
« Reply #25 on: Tuesday 19 December 23 12:51 GMT (UK) »
There are two Mary Ann Brown's born in the same area at around the same time, with Thomas as their father.
The only way that you can be sure that the Mary Ann Brown d/o Thomas the bottle maker was the one who married John Flett and NOT Mary Ann Brown d/o Thomas the mariner, is to check the occupation of the Thomas Brown who appears as Mary Ann's father on her marriage record.
Berks / Oxon: Eltham, Annetts, Wiltshire (surname not county), Hawkins, Pembroke, Partridge
Dorset / Hants: Derham, Stride, Purkiss, Sibley
Yorkshire: Pottage, Carr, Blackburn, Depledge
Sussex: Goodyer, Christopher, Trevatt
Lanark: Scott (soldier went to Jersey CI)
Jersey: Fowler, Huelin, Scott

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Re: Mary Ann Brown - unfortunately!
« Reply #26 on: Tuesday 19 December 23 19:17 GMT (UK) »
Would also be interesting to see addresses and witnesses to marriage as well as fathers occ.

Probate for John Flett in 1903 names Joseph Brown, Shipwright & Thomas Flett. Maybe interesting to find if there is a will and any family details.

Joseph N Brown (shipwright) reply #6 died 1925, so could very well be the one named on probate in 1903.

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