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George Breen, Blacksmith, 58th Regiment of Foot, enlisted 1807
« on: Friday 13 October 23 14:25 BST (UK) »
My ancestor George Breen (e), born Clonenagh, Queen's County, Ireland was a blacksmith in the above regiment from 1807 and was discharged from Kilmainham Hospital, Dublin on 26 June 1816 due to a diagnosis of 'epilepsy'.
I'm keen to find out where he might have served and wonder if the only way to get this information is by visiting Kew.  Any guidance would be appreciated.
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Re: George Breen, Blacksmith, 58th Regiment of Foot, enlisted 1807
« Reply #1 on: Friday 13 October 23 16:21 BST (UK) »
Through amalgamations the modern descendant of the 58th Foot is the Royal Anglian Regt. You might start with their Regimental Museum - http://royalanglianmuseum.org.uk/

The Northamptonshire Regt was an intermediate stage of all this process; its materials are at the Northamptonshire Archives https://www.northamptonmuseums.com/directory/2/Collections/category/7
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Re: George Breen, Blacksmith, 58th Regiment of Foot, enlisted 1807
« Reply #2 on: Friday 13 October 23 16:33 BST (UK) »
I assume you already have the two page record of his discharge which is on FindMyPast. Just a couple of corrections to what you have said so far. He wasn't discharged from the Kilmainham Hospital but to it. Also the mention to his trade as a blacksmith refers to his civilian occupation. While he may have put his smithing skills to use in the Army he wouldn't actually have been employed in his battalion exclusively as a blacksmith.

I doubt if there are any parts of his service record which have survived.

My guess is that he joined the second battalion of the 58th. The 1st Battalion was in Gibraltar, followed by Malta, then Sicily and Italy during the period 1805 - 1808, and then took part in the early stages of the Peninsula War before being sent to Canada to fight in the American War of 1812. The 1st Battalion then returned to Britain, via the Netherlands in 1815. It's not impossible he served with the 1st Battalion, but as the 2nd Battalion was raised in Ireland from 1804, and then deployed to Portugal in 1809 to take part in the Peninsula War, I think this fits better with his dates. After the defeat of Napoleon at Waterloo in 1815, the 2nd Battalion returned to Ireland and was disbanded there in December. While some of the men of the second Battalion were sent to join the 1st Battalion at this stage, this would have been an opportunity to discharge any soldiers who were less than fully fit. Plus George was aged nearly 29 years which was relatively old for a soldier. I wouldn't be surprised to find that his epilepsy was a convenient excuse to get him a pension, which is why he came under the care of the Kilmainham. This was the Irish equivalent of the Chelsea Hospital - not so much a hospital, more the administration of pensions. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Hospital_Kilmainham

You can find out for sure which battalion he was in by searching the muster rolls at TNA.  Unfortunately these haven't been digitized so you would need to visit in person.
The 1st Battalion muster rolls for 1808 - 1810 are in WO 12/6721
and 2nd Battalion rolls for the same period are in WO 12/6783