Phoenix family Hope/Cefn Y Bedd/Cymau/Gwersyllt

[MadMazzy]

Thanks Gadget.  I think Edward was baptised in Gresford although lived in Gwersyllt.  Three possible Edward Phoenixes, fathers are John, James and Edward.  No mothers named.  I will look for marriage records.  The minister at Hope Church was a star, when he registered the baptisms he named the parents and then put mother’s maiden name down and where she was from previously.  Fantastic for those looking back. 

[Gadget]

So no Ithell Phoenixes in that generation, so far. It could well indicate that the name came from Elizabeth's side.
Have you looked through non-conformist records for any burials for the Elizabeth who might have died?

[MadMazzy]

No I will do.  Thank you for your suggestion Gadget.   

[Gadget]

I've been looking at the two baptisms of Elizabeth and see that  her father, Robert, is 'of Cumme'  in both entries. Jane is of Hope.  Would Cumme be Cwm?

https://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/FLN/Cwm

It's most likely the same couple and, if so, maybe they lived there.It might be worth looking there and other parishes in the vicinity.


Gadget

[Gadget]

 or it could be the Cymau that you have listed 


Jones is not the easiest is it?

Added - a snip from the register

[wilcoxon]

Thanks Gadget.  I think Edward was baptised in Gresford although lived in Gwersyllt.  Three possible Edward Phoenixes, fathers are John, James and Edward.  No mothers named.  I will look for marriage records.  The minister at Hope Church was a star, when he registered the baptisms he named the parents and then put mother’s maiden name down and where she was from previously.  Fantastic for those looking back.

Gwersyllt was in the parish of Gresford before it had its own church.

[MadMazzy]

More on Elizabeth Jones - I think that the marriage record of May 1826 at Gresford is correct, it is the only Edward Phoenix (Fennix transcribed as Fennick  ) who married an Elizabeth Jones that sensibly fit the dates.  Witnesses were John Jones and Catherine Jones, the Elizabeth Jones of Hope who has parents Robert and Jane had two siblings named John born 1802 and Catherine born 1803.  Then again John and Catherine Jones could have been some random couple that the pair knew 
Elizabeth Phoenix who was buried in Hope in 1895 lived in Cefn Y Bedd but I still think 95 was wrong for her age, the civil record says she was 96 which is crackers.  She went from being 55 on the 1851 census to being 78 on the 1871 census, coincidentally her next door neighbour was the same age and then 88 on the 1881 census.  Her children were born between 1827 and 1842. 
Gadget - I think Vicar's spelt phonetically, the Cymau was pronounced Cummi.  Only in Wales   

[wilcoxon]

https://newspapers.library.wales/view/3643617/3643620/19/
29th March 1845

I don`t know if this is your Edward but he is is the right place.
He also is shown on Criminal Registers on Ancestry
Name   Edward Phoenix
Age   47
Estimated Birth Year   abt 1798
Date of Trial   25 Mar 1845
Trial Year   1845
Location of Trial   Flintshire, Wales
Sentence   Imprisonment

In 1851 Elizabeth is working at a paper mill. I know where this probably was.
https://coflein.gov.uk/en/site/41219
You can see Hope paper mills just to the right of the name Cefnybedd.
https://maps.nls.uk/view/102342381

I know it`s not the answer to your question but thought it would be useful. 
I live about a mile away.

[Gadget]

Re ages - my father made himself and my mother 2 years younger on the 1939 than they were although he knew perfectly well their real birth dates!

Gadget - I think Vicar's spelt phonetically, the Cymau was pronounced Cummi.  Only in Wales

I'd pronounce  the y more like an i  as in hill but slightly longer 

PS but the Y in Cefn y Bedd as  u as in Mum