Margaret Rooney 1888 - Birth/Baptism Lookup

[Cas (stallc)]

This looks interesting, wondering is Patrick Green an alias for Dockerty maybe, or another altogether?

Name   Ellen Docherty
Gender   Female
Baptism Date   16 Feb 1907
Baptism Place   St. Cuthbert, Cowpen, Northumberland, England
Father   Patricii Docherty
Mother   Margaritae Rooney
FHL Film Number   2046655

Cas

[CaroleW]

1911 she is Maggie Docherty living with parents.  Scotlands People have a 1905 marriage for Maggie Rooney to Patrick Docherty

John Rooney was b Glasgow which may be why the marriage was in Scotland but it doesn’t explain the
lack of birth registrations.

[Neale1961]

I see the family is living in Old Monkland Western District in the 1891 census
There is a birth registration in the same district for a Margaret Rooney in 1890
REFERENCE 652 / 1 / 60
Unfortunately the index does not give mother’s name

The only way to know is to obtain the certificate. I cannot see any Catholic baptism for her in Scotland.

Marriage Registration
ROONEY   JOHN   
CONROY   HELEN   
1881   652 / 2 / 13   OLD MONKLAND (MIDDLE DISTRICT)

Birth registration
ROONEY   MARGARET      
F   1890   652 / 1 / 60   OLD MONKLAND (WESTERN DISTRICT)

[mulberry-rose]

This looks interesting, wondering is Patrick Green an alias for Dockerty maybe, or another altogether?

Name   Ellen Docherty
Gender   Female
Baptism Date   16 Feb 1907
Baptism Place   St. Cuthbert, Cowpen, Northumberland, England
Father   Patricii Docherty
Mother   Margaritae Rooney
FHL Film Number   2046655

Cas

Hello, thank you.

I had noticed this before, I think it is another Patrick and not Green as he was listed as step-father on the military records. I did find a Patrick Docherty born 1883 living as a boarder at Bedlington in 1911. I do think this is Margaret’s daughter though, she was born nearby.

I found some newspaper articles between 1904-07 of a Patrick Green residing Bothwell, Lanarkshire about committing petty thefts and other crimes which would disregard him as Ellen’s father. Some things do like up — Patrick’s father was named Francis, there is an article about the death of a Francis Green killed in a colliery accident, with the age, and residence matching. Later there is an article mentioning that Patrick and a younger brother are the sole household income (which would be true if their father died). Also it wouldn’t be uncharacteristic; in his military records it says how he struck his commanding officer and a 1913 article says he got drunk and threatened to murder Margaret. 

I went a bit off track there, apologies. I just recently discovered these and am trying to conclude if it was him or not.

[mulberry-rose]

1911 she is Maggie Docherty living with parents.  Scotlands People have a 1905 marriage for Maggie Rooney to Patrick Docherty in Bothwell

John Rooney was b Glasgow which may be why the marriage was in Scotland but it doesn’t explain the
lack of birth registrations.

Wow that is brilliant, thank you very much, I have looked for that marriage record between Margaret and first husband for a long time. No wonder I couldn’t find it because it was in Scotland. I wonder what she was doing there.

Ggmother was taken in by a neighbour—Margaret’s mother refused to take her in as she was already looking after Ellen and James I believe.

(Also, I was wondering could you possibly remove the stuff about ggmother, just for privacy  )

[CaroleW]

In 1881 Ellen is married & in Scotland - mistranscribed.  Found entry & could kick myself as I closed the wrong tab on my ipad & lost it.  Will look again

[CaroleW]

Found them in 1881 Lanarkshire transcribed as Rowney

John 24 b Glasgow - coal miner
Helen 16 - b Northumberland

[mulberry-rose]

1911 she is Maggie Docherty living with parents.  Scotlands People have a 1905 marriage for Maggie Rooney to Patrick Docherty in Bothwell

John Rooney was b Glasgow which may be why the marriage was in Scotland but it doesn’t explain the
lack of birth registrations.

Married in Bothwell…hmm. That’s also the same parish Patrick Green was baptised/born in. It’s interesting seeing all these connections! I wonder if he knew the family prior and moved down with them when they went to England.

It is odd the lack of birth registrations.

[mulberry-rose]

Found them - transcribed as Rowney

John 24 b Glasgow - coal miner
Helen 16 - b Northumberland

Thank you 

Wow Ellen was very young.