Graham family from Obley New South Wales

[janiemae]

Hi Sue,

No, I hadn't thought about siblings.  I think I have tunnel vision and only "go after" that particular person.   

That is certainly an avenue I should be looking into.  I believe that there is an older sister, Selina May, who married a Chinese.    Samuel May I believe is the paternal grandfather.    I didn't think she had any brothers, but that father remarried.

I know that after the death of Elizabeth Betsy Graham, I believe a family member became Elizabeth's guardian and also gave permission for her to marry Samuel William Sampson. 

Thanks for the lead about siblings.  That is now a rabbit hole that I shall enter.

[janiemae]

I think that I am becoming extremely confused.   This is really "messing with my brain".     On Elizabeth May's birth certificate it shows that there is only one other "girl" living when the mother Elizabeth Graham gave birth.   Also shows one boy dead. 2 girls dead.   

On ancestry there are numerous trees that show a "Selina May  1874-1967" as being Elizabeth's sister.  Am I "barking up the wrong tree",or is the birth certificate incorrect??


I still cannot upload this birth certificate to any post, if someone could perhaps give me a hand with this, I cannot even do a copy and paste.    Confusion reigns for me at the moment.

Would appreciate any help with this confusion.

[sparrett]

The person Samuel MAY whom I mentioned in a post above, is not listed as a child of the couple on the DC. Of Elizabeth Betsy

He was born in Wellington in 1876 (22176/1876 )with parents Joseph and Elizabeth.

Married Hannah Mary Ellen in Cantrill in Wellington 1899.
Voted in Eulomoglo in 1913. A labourer.

He died in 1958 in Sydney.
I do not know if he is related or not.

Be alert to the wording on Death Certificates in NSW.
The column may be headed issue ( meaning of the current  union.)
Sue

[maddys52]

From the NSW BDM, these are the births to Joseph and Elizabeth MAY, however as Sue has pointed out, there are some things that don't tally with the death certificate you have.

1874  Selina   (Orange 16674/1874)
1876  Samuel  (Wellington 22176/1876 ) - mother: "Elizabeth R"
1880  un-named male (Wellington 26736/1880 ) - died 1880 Wellington (10793/1880 )
1887  Elizabeth  (Dubbo 16100/1887)

I can't see a likely birth for "Jane MAY aged 3" who appears on her mother's death certificate. There is a large gap between the un-named male and Elizabeth and a large gap between the marriage in 1874 and Elizabeth's birth in 1887, so there could be more births not recorded? Maybe there were stillborn, or miscarriages?

[janiemae]

I think there are a few families with the names, Joseph and Elizabeth May  around the Dubbo and Wellington areas.    They may be related in some way or not, but I can't find a link between Elizabeth Betsy Graham.

If only one could find a link with the husband of Elizabeth Betsy or even the mother of Elizabeth Betsy that would be a win.

I appreciate everyone's efforts in this "brain scrambling" saga.

[sparrett]

Because Elizabeth and Jane are clearly acknowledged as siblings, per the DC, in the right family, parents clearly the same couple, I would be reearching Jane to see what records show about her parents.

As I said she married at an early age and died young.
1164/1900
MACDONALD Alexander
MAY Jane
DUBBO

Death
MCDONALD Jane
4839/1905
Parents Joseph and Elizabeth
DUBBO

There were children.

Sue

[janiemae]

Thanks Sue,  I will definitely look into Jane.    I got distracted and overthought.

Appreciate your help.

[maddys52]

Hopefully here is the birth certificate for Elizabeth MAY 1887.

[maddys52]

And the marriage certificate of Elizabeth MAY and Samuel SAMPSON 1905.