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Able Seaman Thomas Bates
« on: Tuesday 24 October 23 21:05 BST (UK) »
On my maternal aunts death certificate it states that she was the widow of Thomas Bates, able Seaman. My aunts maiden name was Bates and I can find no trace of amarriage for her.
The only information I have for Thomas Bates is his name and profession. Is there any way to trace a deceased Seaman who would possibly have died in WW2? TIA
Knight, Bates, Newton, Pick,Perkins, Marshall, North, Kilby, Beckett, Prince.

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Re: Able Seaman Thomas Bates
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 24 October 23 21:12 BST (UK) »
You need to give a lot more info.  For starters

Your Aunts full name/birthyear/birthplace

When & where did she die?

Why do you think he may have died in WW2?

Have you found her on the 1939 register?
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Re: Able Seaman Thomas Bates
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 24 October 23 22:39 BST (UK) »
Could this be him,although as Carole says we're going to need much more info to make sure we don't lead you up the garden path,age and place of birth might be a good starting point.

https://www.cwgc.org/find-records/find-war-dead/casualty-details/2475302/thomas-bates/
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Re: Able Seaman Thomas Bates
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 24 October 23 23:13 BST (UK) »
Maybe Ivy Bates born 28 Nov 1918 in Leicester, and died there in 1969? :-\


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Re: Able Seaman Thomas Bates
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 24 October 23 23:45 BST (UK) »
Family notice for Ivy Bates,  Leicester Daily Mercury, 1 November 1969
Don't know if Ivy is the right person, of course :D

Another(?) (Mrs) Ivy Bates in Leicester may have had a son born there 1940, mmn Bates (gleaned from the Mercury, 12 January 1965)

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Re: Able Seaman Thomas Bates
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 25 October 23 08:39 BST (UK) »
Thank you for the replies.they all seem to be relevant.

Ivy was born 28.10.1918 in Leicester at 19 Gray Street and died 16.11.1918 at Groby road hospital following an operation to repair both her heart valves.

Her eldest child, a son was born 1940.
Her other two children were possibly sired by her half brother who was introduced to my dad in the 1940s as her boyfriend. (I know there was a family secret about what he'd done when he suddenly came back into their lives after being raised by his late father's family from birth in 1914. I don't know full details.)

I can't find another Thomas Bates who was an Able Seaman who died between the sons birth and my parents meeting.

Thank you for the newspaper details, I've been unable to locate any on the two paid sites or family search. I will look again.
Knight, Bates, Newton, Pick,Perkins, Marshall, North, Kilby, Beckett, Prince.

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Re: Able Seaman Thomas Bates
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 25 October 23 21:07 BST (UK) »
I have done some searching re Able Seaman  Thomas Bates  and found that his number was D/SSX 16011
He was a Royal Navy Seaman on board HMS Gloucester when it was sunk by German aircraft on 22nd May 1941 with the loss of 722 of the crew of 807.
Her pennant number was 62

Is there any way of finding his details from when he joined the Royal Navy? Again there is no information regarding his dare or place of birth  and I've had no luck in finding naval records.
Knight, Bates, Newton, Pick,Perkins, Marshall, North, Kilby, Beckett, Prince.