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James Anderson, b. 1846 or 1847, Bath?
« on: Wednesday 25 October 23 16:50 BST (UK) »
I've got a James Anderson, who was apparently born in 1846 or 1847 in Bath, but I can't find any possible birth registration, nor any likely record of him before 1881.

The first I have of him is from the 1881 Census for Sunderland. He's listed as living at 45 Hendon Street in Sunderland, birth year estimated 'about 1850' (Ancestry), and apparently married to Mary Ann Anderson (b. 1847).

The couple had at least 2 children, Edward (b. December 1879), Alfred (b. May 1883). Both born in Sunderland. Mary Ann's maiden name was BAILEY.
A third child James Anderson is also listed, 5 years old, in 1881. I can't find a birth record for him either, and he seems to be limited to that census.

Mary Ann, by the way, was married to an Edward COE from Essex (who died in 1873), he fathered at least 3 children to her, Isabella Ann (b. 1864), Mary Ann (b. 1867) and Georgeine (b. 1872). They are listed as step children of James in 1881.

James appears once again in the 1891 census, 'aged 44', husband of Mary Ann, and the father of Edward and Alford (sic). No other occupants. James is recorded as having died in 1895.

I have no reason to suspect James Anderson ever used any other name, but that's a possibility worth not losing sight of entirely.
England: Bramham, Harris, Watson, Harrison, Laycock, Anderson, Douglas
Scotland: McDonald, Lee, Cruickshanks
Ireland: Conway, Kelly

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Re: James Anderson, b. 1846 or 1847, Bath?
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 25 October 23 22:54 BST (UK) »
Hi,

I found this marriage,

Mary Ann COE    Dec Q 1874    Sunderland    10a  936
James LEE


https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NXGP-PFW

01 Nov 1874     Bishop-Wearmouth, Durham

James LEE   
Father:    William LEE

Mary Ann COE
Father:    Alexander BAILEY



and this birth which could be the 5 year old James ANDERSON shown in the 1881 census,

James LEE    Jun Q 1876    Sunderland    10a  670
mmn:  BAILEY     


So who is James LEE?  Is he James ANDERSON or did Mary marry James LEE and then James ANDERSON?


I can't find a marriage that fits.

Sorry to make it more complicated.

Regards,
Daisy
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Re: James Anderson, b. 1846 or 1847, Bath?
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 26 October 23 00:15 BST (UK) »
The only James LEE born in Somerset around that time with a father William that I can find, was baptised at Bridgwater in May 1848 along with his twin Emily. Parents were William LEE and Mary Ann DYER.

LEE, JAMES  MURRY  mmn DYER     
GRO Reference: 1848  J Quarter in BRIDGWATER UNION  Volume 10  Page 369

William was a mariner and died in Bridgwater in 1858.
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/238666947/william-lee

This James was with his parents in Bridgwater in 1851 and his mother in Bridgwater in 1861. Can't find him after that.

Be interesting to see what William's occupation was on the James LEE/Mary Ann COE marriage in 1874.

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Re: James Anderson, b. 1846 or 1847, Bath?
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 26 October 23 05:53 BST (UK) »
Registration for the children of James Lee aka Anderson and Mary Ann formerly Coe late Bailey.

James LEE reg 1876 mmn Bailey reg Sunderland  (as previously posted by Daisypetal)

George Edward LEE mmn Bailey  reg Easington 1881  (ref: 1881 census)

Alfred ANDERSON  mmn Bailey reg Sunderland  1883 

So father James changed his name after 1881 and before 1883

Perhaps check the papers and see if something happened to make him do this.


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Re: James Anderson, b. 1846 or 1847, Bath?
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 26 October 23 16:13 BST (UK) »
Registration for the children of James Lee aka Anderson and Mary Ann formerly Coe late Bailey.

James LEE reg 1876 mmn Bailey reg Sunderland  (as previously posted by Daisypetal)

George Edward LEE mmn Bailey  reg Easington 1881  (ref: 1881 census)

Alfred ANDERSON  mmn Bailey reg Sunderland  1883 

So father James changed his name after 1881 and before 1883

Perhaps check the papers and see if something happened to make him do this.

Minor nitpick, George Edward Anderson was not registered as 'LEE'. He was born in 1879 in Sunderland and registered as 'HENDERSON', presumably a transcription error for ANDERSON.

D Quarter 1879:
HENDERSON, George Edward - reg Sunderland - mmn BAILEY

It's far more consistent with census records.
England: Bramham, Harris, Watson, Harrison, Laycock, Anderson, Douglas
Scotland: McDonald, Lee, Cruickshanks
Ireland: Conway, Kelly

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Re: James Anderson, b. 1846 or 1847, Bath?
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 26 October 23 16:14 BST (UK) »
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Be interesting to see what William's occupation was on the James LEE/Mary Ann COE marriage in 1874.

Just to add the marriage transcription describes James as a widower so he had a previous marriage which might add some light. 
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Re: James Anderson, b. 1846 or 1847, Bath?
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 26 October 23 16:19 BST (UK) »
The only James LEE born in Somerset around that time with a father William that I can find, was baptised at Bridgwater in May 1848 along with his twin Emily. Parents were William LEE and Mary Ann DYER.

LEE, JAMES  MURRY  mmn DYER     
GRO Reference: 1848  J Quarter in BRIDGWATER UNION  Volume 10  Page 369

William was a mariner and died in Bridgwater in 1858.
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/238666947/william-lee

This James was with his parents in Bridgwater in 1851 and his mother in Bridgwater in 1861. Can't find him after that.

Be interesting to see what William's occupation was on the James LEE/Mary Ann COE marriage in 1874.

Ian C

It is most interesting that you should mention that, the potential father of James Anderson being a mariner, as the 'deaths at sea' records list Mary Ann's deceased former husband (who was called Edward Coe) as a mariner.

It's possible that James may have had such a background too.
England: Bramham, Harris, Watson, Harrison, Laycock, Anderson, Douglas
Scotland: McDonald, Lee, Cruickshanks
Ireland: Conway, Kelly